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Let's tax fat people

Let's tax fat people

The US and obesity - why we need a fat tax

 

The main cause of death in the emerged yesterday as not smoking, but obesity.

Statistics published in the Journal of the American Medical Association showed that in the year 2000, 400,000 Americans died from poor diet and physical inactivity.

Since 1990, the number of people killed by gross fatness has increased by 33%, whereas tobacco related death has decreased by a disappointing 1%

Two thirds or 130 million people in the are obese.

It cost the economy $117 billion in 2000 alone.

Next year the government will spend $440 million on obesity research alone.

Traveling through the Antipodes, I was much enamoured at the superior quality of food, especially in .

In over three months I could count on one hand the number of bad meals that I had eaten.

Good food comes at a price however, and after spending far more than I originally intended in a year long odyssey, sensibly decided to cut back for a month or two on dining in restaurants and switching to the cheaper fast food outlets.

Now before I continue, I should point out that I am considered slim by most people.

I do not have, and never really have had, a beer belly or stomach even though I consume vast amounts of alchohol much to the distress of my General Practitioner.

But after one month of kebabs and take-away Indian and Chinese meals I was astounded to see my first love handles that could not be comfortably attributed to the inexorable march of age.

They were real.

Now I have nothing against junk food per se, it serves a purpose, though I have considerable problems with particular outlets such as McDonalds and that fucking stupid clown that I would love to see crucified.

I can attest personally to these subjective experiences, which I am the first to realise does not constitute a scientific study.

However, having reverted to my normal, rather more expensive and healthy diet (except for the copious amounts of alchohol) I can see after one month, a slow return and retreat like the worlds glaciers of my newly born midriff.

It takes a lot longer to take off, that which you have put on.

If this has been happening down many years, I can quite understand why people get upset with their infinitely faddish 'lose weight now' variety of diets fail to work.

It could take twice as many years to return to a 'healthy' weight after years of abuse.

One Morton Spurlock, decided to venture forth on a Ramadan long fast whereby he resolved to consume (I reserve the word eating for a pleasurable activity) every repast in a McDonalds outlet.

Incredibly, he gained a remarkable 12KG in 30 days and felt extremely ill.

He is now trying to regain his previously sculpted figure (so he says).

In a different experiment in New Zealand, a boy ate only sweets and pies for two days and his math’s and reading abilities were subsequently recorded to be up to 50% of his normal scores.

To back all this up, a 20 year old athlete in NZ decided to eat only hamburgers for two months.

He too gained 12 KG.

Returning to his normal diet, it took him 5 months to reduce his gain by 10KG.

But it isn’t just the that has concerns over obesity.

is also worried about the obesity of its citizens, as is the .

But is there a connection?

The , the and are all aggressive free market economies, where the emphasis is on de-regulation and consumer choice.

But when that consumer choice leads to the appalling health hazards of obesity and the costs associated with their health care, why should the thin subsidise the fat?

Should fat people not pay more for their conspicuous greed?

We're talking about of course is a fat tax.

Why shouldn't foods that have 'excessive' salt, sugar and fat content be taxed?

Why shouldn't gymnasium membership attract a tax-break?

Why shouldn't fat people pay more for transport?

But surely, this is a ‘fattist’ policy, no better than a form of racism?

Why?

People are not born fat, they become fat through choice.

Why are there no diet books in or ?

The equation is very simple, burn more calories than you consume and you will lose weight.

But this of course horrifies fat people, because it means one inescapable truth:

Exercise.

Move it and you lose it.

However my invective isn't solely aimed at fat people and their weak personalities when it comes to eating and exercise.

How did they get fat in the first place?

There has been a flurry of instances in the where people have attempted to sue McDonalds for being culpable in contributing to their obesity.

I initially had no sympathy with those trying to sue McDonalds until I read that some twenty odd years back, McDonald’s surreptitiously increased the size of their meals without telling its patrons.

And the amount of fat that was in each portion.

 

People couldn't understand why the same diet was suddenly piling on the pounds.

Advertising also has a part to blame in this quite literally enormous problem.

The other day I was tempted by an advert promoting cornflakes with ‘banana bits’ inside.

Thinking this was some sort of dried banana piece and therefore probably good for you (and besides who doesn’t like sliced banana over their cornflakes?) I picked up a box and had a look at the nutritional content.

Normal cornflakes were 0.9g fat per 100g serving.

Banana bit cornflakes were 7g fat per 100g serving.

Full fat milk is about 5% fat.

So the inclusion of theses healthy sounding banana bits has the effect of containing over 7 times the amount of fat per serving (not to mention the salt content).

Politicians in are trying to force advertisers to put warning messages on high fat, high salt processed foods, just as on cigarette packets.

But the food lobby is immensely powerful, so let’s now have a look at this other factor in the equation.

There are something like 22 billion farm animals alive in the world today.

This is set to grow by 50% in 20 years.

There are pig cities a million strong in the and .

The world’s livestock produce 10% of all the greenhouse gases including 25% of the methane.

It takes 500l of water to raise a kilo of potatoes, 900l for a kilo of wheat, 2000 for rice or soya, 3500 for a chicken and a staggering 100,000 for a kilo of beef.

Water, the world over, is running out.

The US Worldwatch institute estimates that 1.1 billion people are underweight, 1.1 billion are too fat.

Economic growth is measured by the increase of GDP, but this is a deceptive measure.

Heart disease cost the 180bn in 2001 but is recorded as a gain, because it shows up as increased business for the health sector.

Humans need around 1500 calories a day to stay fit.

Eat more than twice this and you become obese.

Meat offers the food industry a way to raise the ceiling on global consumption of farming output; feed the staple foods to the livestock and then sell the meat to the consumer:

2kg of feed yields 1KG of chicken, 4kg for pork, 7kg for beef.

The bar can be raised again by throwing most of the carcass away or grinding it up for animal feed (BSE) and so on.

Meat is cheap to buy whereas greens and vegetables remain comparatively expensive; people therefore eat more processed meat than they need and the vicious circle is closed.

Fat people are unhealthy, unattractive and a burden on society.

There are fat camps for kids, why not for adults?

If you're BMI is excessive, then off you go for preventative treatment in a camp where jogging, muesli and lima beans are de riguer.

And you stay until you are cured.

Meanwhile, tax the people that provide bollock burgers (100% beef but they don't tell you which bits of the cow make up those 90% fat filled patties) until the pips squeak.

The sad thing of course, is that food is necessary and should be enjoyable.

Fast food is a tautology and an unhealthy one at that.

So let them have their cake, and tax it.

 

yechydda,

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Reply #26 Top

But this still leaves the question as to why there are so many, and increasing, obese people. Isn't it worrying that the number of people with this 'illness' is soaring?

There are a bunch of theories on this, but I will tell mine:

1) We have a stressful society.  Why?  who knows, but the US worker is more stressed and has more stress related illnesses than other countries.  Stress raises cortisol, cortisol increases fat storage.
2) Obsessive dieting usually has adverse effects.  People forget about moderation
3) we sit on our asses in front of computers too much
4) Food is too plentiful and easy to get
5) People typically don't cook much
6) we have genetically engineered food, preservative filled food, chemicals that we call "diet pop", chemicals that we sweeten with, hormones in our dairy (unless you buy Organic), pesticides on our fruit.....
7) Fast food.
8) It's getting to be socially acceptable to be obese.

I think that you will find that health issues and obesity for many people are a catch 22.  you have health problems and you end up gaining weight, you need to lose weight but your health problems keep you down.  (Arthritis is a good example of that). 

we simply need to eat less and move more.

And, I agree, not all fat people are ugly.  They also aren't all a burden on society.  Obviously you haven't taken a good look at most of the doctors, lawyers, computer guys, etc if you think that.  They health issues (if they have them) may be a burden on our medical system.  but, just as my 90+ year old aunt who smokes two packs a day and is still alive and feisty as ever, just because you are overweight does not mean that you will have health problems.  And, just because you are a "normal" weight does not mean that you will be healthy.

Reply #27 Top
Karma,

Of course the article is a generalisation.

People put on weight for many of the reasons that you cite.

But look at children, and the increase of diabetes among the young, what's their excuse?

And of course there is something that can be done about it. If the smoking campaign managed to cut the numbers of smokers in society then why can't an anti-fat campaign?

Why shouldn't food with higher fat and salt content be taxed?

Of course not all fat people are ugly, nor are they all a burden.

But there is no need for clinical obesity in society.

It's a very Western disease and it is costing peoples lives and money.

yechydda,


Reply #28 Top

Why shouldn't food with higher fat and salt content be taxed?

who decides what is "high"?  You can have these foods and still be a normal weight.  It's called moderation.  There is also still a huge debate about fat.  Low fat diets haven't worked out all too well.  *calories* however, are the only factor we can be sure of.  But, 3 servings of 100 calorie yogurt will still give you as many calories as a 300 calorie donut, so how would you determine anything like that?  And, who would agree to taxing campbell soup or Ramen noodles more than anything else? (college kids wouldn't e able to afford to eat...)

Comparing smoking to weight is not the same thing.  You don't have to smoke- you have to eat.  People with eating disorders need help, but they usually don't get it. 

"But look at children, and the increase of diabetes among the young, what's their excuse"

I haven't seen any statistics about that.  Where are you getting that info from?  I know that child weight issues are on the rise, but diabetes?  Obviously, if the parents have poor eating habits, the children will probably, too.  So, maybe parents of school aged kids should have to attend nutrition seminars.  Or, maybe we should try and figure out what stems all of this.  Is it cheap food?  Lack or exercise?  Chemicals in our food?  Portion sizes that we see in restaurants?  What is it?  What changed in the past 20 years to get us to this point?

Reply #29 Top
I agree that the best dietary advice is moderation in all things.

However, there's a paradox in that the poorer you are (your students for example) the foods that remain accesible to you are packed with sugar and salt. But if the taxes from the poor quality food is used to subsidise and reduce the cost of healthier food, then surely it's a win win situation.






"But look at children, and the increase of diabetes among the young, what's their excuse"I haven't seen any statistics about that. Where are you getting that info from?

Here's one link:

http://www.health-doc.com/healtharticles/Diabetes-children.html

I've travelled through Oz and New Zealand recently, and everywhere there is a similar debate, we are all too fat and this is now also true of our children.

Bad eating habits are laid down at an early age.

yechydda,
Reply #30 Top
But look at children, and the increase of diabetes among the young, what's their excuse?


Bad eating habits might be the result but here's another guess: Many people, out of concern for safety, don't allow their children to play like they used to. Gone are the days where you open the door and tell them to be back in time for lunch or dinner. The freedom to roam, explore, take long bike rides, and play freely is gone, because nobody wants their child getting abducted.
Reply #31 Top

Nicky, you are correct about kids.  Just try to get them into gear before going out to play so that they won't get hurt.  You'd probably go to jail now for neglect if your kid wasn't wearing a bicycle helmet and fell of their bike.  Heck playgrounds are so safe now that they aren't any fun.  Kids love McDonalds playlands...but that is at McDonalds.

The price of "healthy" food won't go down no matter how you raise the other cost.  How would you "subsidize" it, anyway?  And, who says what is really healthy?  How do we know that the hormones in our milk, or the pesticides on our fruit isn't what is causing the diseases?  And, it is *so* widespread.  Why? What is all of a sudden causing it?  Our food offerings haven't changed that much in the past 10 to 20 years, so why has there been such an increase in weight?  We have to identify the real problem before we can resolve it.

Reply #32 Top
Another thing that was pointed out in the article about diabetes was water.  Most kids drink juice, soda, and milk but not water.  People for some reason think that is better, though.  I get comments all the time about my daughter.  She is skinny (which people think is wrong....even some doctors told me that she should have been chubbier as an infant) but she prefers water, and that is what I give her.  Of course, she will also take peppers and hummus over a McDonalds hamburger, but that is mainly because that is how we eat.  She does get odd looks when she says that she likes baba ghanooj but not as much as hummus.  They way people look at her you would think they were looking at an alien or something .
Reply #33 Top
Hey valleyboyabroad, i have a better idea...why don't we tax stupid people (such as yourself) so that we can have a larger volume of taxes. I am not a fat person either but I do have compassion on a sufferer of a disease. Obesity is a mental disease. Grow a brain and an opinion that holds water. Lastly, to be considered slim is a great deal difference than being slim. How many here are in favor of a stupid tax....whoops, I forgot there already is a stupid tax....it is called a Lottery. Lotteries are for stupid people that can't do math. You wanna fault someone....fault school administrations that allow candy and pop machines on campus. The volume of crap being eaten at lunch verses.....well, let's be honest the crap the serve in the cafeteria is amazing.
Reply #34 Top
Nicky,

This is sadly true.

They are also driven everywhere by exhausted parents, it makes on wonder how we manage to have any functional familie at all!

I wonder if they even have physical education lessons these days?

yechydda,
Reply #35 Top
Teacher,

It's good to see that the art of irony isn't lost on someone as intelligent as yourself.

Why certainly, there are so many stupid people out there, thankfully, you clearly are not one and are able to form cogent and clearly expressed opinions quite adroitly.

'You wanna fault someone....fault school administrations that allow candy and pop machines on campus. The volume of crap being eaten at lunch verses.....well, let's be honest the crap the serve in the cafeteria is amazing'

So you think that there really is a problem?

That the schools are to blame?

yechydda,
Reply #36 Top
Karmagirl,

You have a very good point about pesticides and other rubbish that goes into our food.

But ask yourself hand on heart, if we all eat fresh fruit, meat, staples and so on and took more excercise that it would benefit people at least in terms of weight loss?

Look at those countries that eat the Mediterranean diet. In those countries there is no soaring obesity problem.

Fresh fish, small amounts of meat, plenty of vegetables and fruit and of course, loads of wine!

Even the meat that we buy in supermarkets are pumped full of growth hormones and water.

Did you know that in Britain, to qualify as being organically raised produce, all the animal has to ahve been is grazing free for three months to qualifty.

So a battery pig is force-raised and for the last three months of its life grazes on a farm.

It is then deemed to be organic.

yechydda,
Reply #37 Top
I AGREE FULLY. FAT PEOPLE TAKE UP MORE SPACE, WEIGH MORE, EAT MORE, AND ARE GENERALLY A PAIN IN THE BUT TO HAVE AROUND. THEY SHOULD PAY MORE FOR EVERYTHING.
Reply #38 Top
we sit on our asses in front of computers too much


as a skinny person sitting on my ass in front of a computer right now, I resent that remark...

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Money made from lotteries often goes to benefit different programs that don't survive well on their own. I guess its a good thing that we have stupid people playing...

Of course, there are the stupid people who actually win the lottery... granted they are few in number, but it happens. I wonder what a lottery winner would think if you told them how stupid they were. They'd prob'ly get in their Hummer II and run you over. And then pay Johnny Cochran to represent them at the murder trial.

and they'd get away with it.

but then, none of that has anything to do with taxing fat people does it?

oops

Reply #39 Top

But ask yourself hand on heart, if we all eat fresh fruit, meat, staples and so on and took more excercise that it would benefit people at least in terms of weight loss?

Yep.  If we could get "fresh" foods.  But, if you want fresh foods (ie: organic) it's going to cost you *a lot* more than the mass produced foods (just like low fat and caffeine free costs more). 

However, some people will be overweight even though they do the "right" things.  Due to my evil thyroid (which I eradicated last year) I gained quite a bit of weight.  I still eat a 1200 to 1300 calorie a day diet and work out 3 to 4 times a week (as well as chase my 5 year old around and do house/yard work on the weekends) and I am still "fat".  I am sure that I am not the only one that this happens to.  And, TeacherCreature is right with the "mental" part of weight issues.  And, there are more weight issue mental diseases than obesity- like anorexia and bulimia.  There is more to "fat" then just "eating too much".

Marvin, you just amaze me at how many ignorant remarks you can make.  From all the "Christian" remarks you make, you sure don't practice what you preach.

Reply #40 Top
Karma,

As I've said before, of course there are medical conditions which lead to fluctuations in weight.

But this still avoids the central issue of self-inflicted obesity.

And nor am I talking about people who are fat.

It doesn't take a genius to see that there is a very real problem out there, and although fresh organic food is certainly not cheap, the questions need to be asked as to why this is so. As I mentioned in the original article, there is a vicious cycle at work here that keeps organic produce artificially high, and this cycle needs to be broken.

Even if this occurs, there needs to be a massive public education excercise to wean people off their habits.

If you or anyone else is saying that this is a mental health problem, then the question that needs to be asked is what is it about the US and the UK in particular that brings on these mental problems.

The implication is that a substantial proportion of our society is mentally unwell.

This could be so, however I've seen far too many people stuffing lumps of greased down their gullets to accept that the majority of this is down to mental health problems.

In the original article, I mentioned that I ate fast foods for a month and promptly put on a stone, with little else in my lifestyle changing.

This tells me that far from being mentally unwell, cheap food is fat food and that my body is designed to hang on to fat as long as possible.

yechydda,
Reply #41 Top

Fast food is not cheap food, though.  You can buy a bag of rice for the cost of a McDonald's cheeseburger.  However, it is "convenient".  People seem to have more hectic lives, and end up "eating on the run" a lot.

I'm really not sure what is causing all of this, but it is a *huge* (no pun intended) issue.  How do you educate people on what to do right when you are not totally sure what right is?  Or, how do you change their habits if you're not sure what those habits are?

I place some of my blame on the dairy and beef industries.  I think that all the hormones are getting us somehow.  But, I can't prove it.  What about all the depression medicines that are out there?  They have to be around for a reason  Are there more people depressed which leads to emotional eating?  Are we all just too lazy?  I have no idea.

Reply #42 Top
How do you qualify what obese is? You mention the BMI, but that is a very poor method. A person that is healthy with a low body fat can still be considered morbidly obese according to the BMI (I am one of those people, 5'9" tall, 210 pounds, 9% bodyfat).

I often don't see how one could set up an appropriate taxing method for foods. As others have mentioned, it is the over eating that causes the obesity, not the specific food that is being consumed. For example, if I were to consume 7 Snickers bars as my diet each day, I would lose weight and not be "obese". I wouldn't have a healthy diet, but I wouldn't obese. Seeing as your commentary targets obesity as the problem, not unhealthy diets, why would I, the consumer, have to pay an extra tax to purchase the 7 Snickers bars when the consumption of them is not causing me to be obese? What if I consumed one candy bar per week, with the rest of my diet being "healthy"? Is it really appropriate to tax the consumer to enjoy a treat in a reasonable manner?

I understand the sentiments of your commentary, but I think that your suggested "solutions" are a show of ignorance. Perhaps some more research would befit this topic, so an article could be written citing the issues of today's obese society (as yours has done) but then also include realistic solutions to the problems and issues rather than a diatribe about how much obesity disgusts you.

Regards

Jr.
Reply #44 Top
But if you add up the health care costs, the costs to businesses, the environment etc. then it is more expensive to carry on the way that we are.


Why don't we just outlaw death in general? What are your figures for what all death "costs"?

As my 92 year old grandmother sits in her wheelchair, waiting for the inevitable, and looking forward to it.....it is "costing" money as well.

Are you really going to pretend to believe that Mr. Unhealthy, 55 year old, Joe User, who dies of a heartattack today, costs more than a healthier person who spends years in an old folks home collecting Social Security, Medicare and whatever?

This is just another way of justifying peoples predudices.

I think we should tax people who have their heads up their asses too.