#GamerGate–the free ride is over

By on September 14, 2014 1:48:14 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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I’ll hand the SJW anti-#Gamergate people one thing: They have chutzpah.  Seeing individuals who have a history of abusing, ridiculing, lying and misrepresenting people complaining about gamers is…just breathtaking.

The best thing that will come out of this #gamergate thing, and this is the one thing that I think its supporters should really take some pride in is this: The free ride is over. 

So many lurkers and neutral observers have been able to see how these guys operate: If you disagree with them you are either racist or sexist. There is no such thing as a principled argument as far as they’re concerned.

Remember: You’re always racist, sexist, evil no matter how absurd they have to stretch reality to make it so

Now, quick background on myself: I’m actually not very political. But I have been blogging for 15 years so there’s plenty of fodder available. I believe people should be able to do and say what they want as long as they’re not hurting anyone (and I don’t count “feelings” as hurting).

What most casual observers don’t realize is just how close knit the various aspects of the game industry really are. We really are a close knit group with one key distinction: We aren’t physically located near each other. As a result, forums, mailing lists and social networks are how we converse. This has created a lot of cliques.

For the past half decade, those cliques focused on “social justice” have been insulting, smearing and misrepresenting individuals or groups they decided represent “the other”. Because they received little or no push-back, they wrongly believed they represented the majority opinion on a given issue.

As someone who’s maintained a blog for 15 years, I’ve written a lot of words. Some of those words have made these guys angry and thus, at some point, they decided I was some sort of crazy right-winger.  I’m only a “crazy right-winger” if objecting to one group coercing another group is “right wing”. I don’t like telling people what to do and I don’t like being told what to do.

Long story short: Once these guys decided I was “the enemy” it’s been a never-ending stream of misrepresentation.  For people who think Zoe Quinn has had it bad for these past few months, come talk to me in 5 years. That’s about how long I’ve had SJWs stalk me around, misrepresenting what I’ve said, written and then distributing it far and wide to their like-minded friends.  Sounds a lot like the stuff they’re saying about #gamergate with regards to the people they’ve decide they don’t like.

The threshold required to become “the enemy” is very low. Feel free to look through my tweet history or my blogs. You won’t find me telling people to “fuck off” or “die in a fire” or calling people “pieces of shit”. or anything of that nature. I post my musings on any number of topics – from beekeeping to taxation.  That’s isn’t to say I’m not sometimes mean.  I can be a real jerk sometimes. 

On the other hand, if you rely on what others have claimed I have said or done, you would think I’m a monster. That’s how comfortable with distorting words they are. I suspect some of you who have watched #gamergate are now quite familiar with how comfortable the so-called SJWs are with making things up, sometimes from whole cloth, in order to make someone look horrible.

Then again, what do I know? I’m a “self proclaimed sexist, vulgar and embarrassing person” who has also publicly admitted to “eating babies”.

Case in point: fun little fantasy book reported as being “racist”

Lest you think I’m exaggerating on how petty yet dedicated they can be…

In 2010 I wrote a book.

I always wanted to write a book and I did. It’s a fantasy novel. I.e. Humans, Orcs, Elves, etc. type stuff. Random House even published it. Pretty cool eh? WRONG: My book was nothing but a thinly disguised racist screed on the need for building a border fence to keep the darkies out.  At least, that’s what I’m told.

What? How the hell did a light fantasy book become a political book?

Enter the SJW clique: self-described SJWs on a particular forum I participated in decided that my non-progressive views (I’m socially liberal, fiscally conservative, generally believe that people should be free to do what they want as long as they’re not hurting other people)  were unacceptable and harassed me to the point that the moderators banned them.  

And to be as fair as I can be: I wasn’t posting in some political thread. I was posting on a game forum in a thread about a game I was working on.  They had followed me to this thread and were being abusive and off-topic and they got banned for it.

So the wife of one of the people who got banned (who was, btw, the original editor-in-chief of Kotaku – I must have missed the article with the headline “Former Kotaku editor banned for stalking, harassing game developer”), wrote a fake review of my book which claimed that it was a racist book in which the heroes were building a fence to keep dark-skinned people out.

Only one problem: My book has no fence and there are no dark-skinned people in the book. They made it up. Completely.

Having labeled my little fantasy book a racist screed, they immediately created forum posts and Reddits (like this one) http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/d6mvk/so_stardock_ceo_brad_wardell_wrote_a_book_about_a/.  

So our “fair minded” SJWs proceeded to assume I was a monster and of course ripped my book apart and then jumped onto Amazon.com (note that not one of the 1-star reviews is by a verified purchaser – and if you look at the reviews, M.J. Gallant was the person banned from the forum for harassment and, again, was once the EIC of Kotaku and his wife was the one who wrote the fake review claiming my book was racist – that’s the level of dedication.  Note the dates of the 1-star reviews too, clumped together).

Now mind you, I’m not going to argue that my book was some sort of literary masterpiece. I’m a game developer. I had the chance to write a book and I did and you know what? It’s not a bad book. It was a fun, interesting learning experience that didn’t hurt anyone.

Look, I’m a game developer. Having my creative endeavors criticized goes with the territory. After 20 years, my skin is so thick that I barely notice death threats anymore. 

But this isn’t about having a thick skin. Imagine you had always wanted to write a book. You spend a year writing it and it even gets published – to book stores and everything -- only to have a bunch of assholes misrepresent the book and send their friends to trash and ridicule it? Imagine going to a family get together and having relatives say “Is your book really racist?”

Remember, the abuse I received had nothing to do with the quality of the book. If books based on a video game were regularly pilloried we’d have a never ending stream of Reddits. 

No, the reason I was targeted is because SJWs, the people who now represent the bulk of the “anti-#GamerGate” crowd, are perfectly comfortable with harassment and abuse as long as it’s the right people doing the harassment and abuse: Themselves.

Not an isolated incident

This isn’t just some isolated incident.  Having been in the game industry for 20 years, I’ve watched, with some sorrow, as their movement has organized and coalesced.  They’re too polite to call what they do “raiding” but, in effect, this is what they’ve been doing. This is what they continue to do and have been doing for years.

So here we are in 2014 and they’re finally getting a little push back and they’re outraged and upset. They’ve spent years being able to ridicule, abuse and harass people and things they don’t like with impunity.  I don’t blame them for being upset now. The free ride is over.

My recommendation is this: Don’t get your gang to attack, abuse or ridicule any individual. Attack the message not the person. Argue about ideas and philosophies don’t resort to character assassination. Because if you do, you are in no position to take some moral high ground.

 

Update 1: What inspired me to write this article was reading posts by people attacking #gamergate and clicking on their profile to see what else they had posted on only to find, surprise surprise they had participated in smearing me.  I used the book example specifically because it showed that the SJWs were happy to stalk my activities well outside my day job as a game developer and into my private works. It wasn't enough for them to just go around onto various game sites and attack me, they went out to slime me in an area that obviously has nothing to do with game development.

 

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September 14, 2014 10:18:24 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Source?

 

Congress?

 

The diatribes from politicians on the right are that we're flushing civilization down the drain with bad economic and social policies that will bankrupt the country.  You can argue till the cows come how about whether they're correct or not, but it's pretty rare for someone in Congress to claim the Dems are intentionally out to destroy the country, just that they're incompetent boobs with no idea how the world works.

 

The diatribes from the left contain such gems as wanting sick and old people to hurry up and die, hating poor people, ethnic minorities, women, the list goes on.  When it's just some twit's political advertisement that would be one thing, but this shit gets said on the floor of the House and the Senate pretty regularly.  Just a week or so back the head of the DNC got in hot water for equating Scott Walker's policies with physical violence against women.

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September 14, 2014 11:57:02 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting macbeth86,

I very much admire your courage and just bought your book. Not a gamer, just someone has espoused classical liberalism from a very early age and is thoroughly disgusted by the rise of these liberal fascists.

Inb4 the lock

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September 15, 2014 1:14:29 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting psychoak,
The diatribes from politicians on the right are that we're flushing civilization down the drain with bad economic and social policies that will bankrupt the country.  You can argue till the cows come how about whether they're correct or not, but it's pretty rare for someone in Congress to claim the Dems are intentionally out to destroy the country, just that they're incompetent boobs with no idea how the world works.

I'm afraid you have not met my father... Or conservative talk radio...  Please note that I am very conservative ideologically.  I just take equal pleasure in ripping apart arguments regardless of which ideology spawned them.  

How sheeple conservatives seem to see the world:

Communists: evil

Socialists: evil that think they're good

Liberals: idiots that are sometimes deliberately evil

Conservatives: people with some semblance of sense

Reactionaries: the smart people

Fascists: the people that went a bit overboard

 

This is more my view of the situation...

Communists: great in theory and on small scale.  Bad in practice on the large scale

Socialists: poor economic incentives for success, but at least your heart is in the right place

Liberals: individuals that prioritize public welfare over rewarding the success of those that deserve it

Conservatives: individuals that prioritize rewarding deserved success over public welfare

Reactionaries: those that are bound and determined not to change unless presented with clear proof from several like-minded peers.  This group is naturally going to be more of an echo-chamber than the others.

Fascists: like fascists, I think I could be a benevolent dictator.  Unlike fascists, I don't trust myself enough to be benevolent and not go mad with power to actually want to be a dictator.

 

The farther away from the middle you go, the more you progress into ideologue shepherds and the sheeple that follow them territory.  Do not attempt to reason with a sheeple.  They cannot comprehend reasoned arguments.  I have proven things to several of them on both sides of the aisle on several occasions.  They still did not understand and one even yelled in frustration "your logic can't explain everything!" in a desperate attempt to suggest that because I can't prove everything, all logic is worthless.

PS: that person was my father.  I have an interesting relationship with the man.  I'm no less conservative than he is, but I actually bother considering the reasoning of an argument before attempting to use it in a debate.  The tragedy is that some people get to the point where they defer all judgment on right or wrong to others and then get upset at the investigator when the arguments their reference espouses don't hold up under investigation.  That is my definition of a sheeple.

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September 15, 2014 2:15:48 AM from Galactic Civilizations III Forums Galactic Civilizations III Forums

Wow, this whole post and ensuing conversation reminds me why I post so little in public forum anymore..

 

Back to the OP:  it all reminds me of the strange nexus of voices back in the day trying to "ban" Marilyn Manson.  People do not care much about reason or truth.  It's simply about power and the imposition of power upon those who are less willing or able to fight back.  There is very little regard for internal or external consistency; or adherence to broader measures of justice.  The battles eventually morph into a bureaucracy that keep fighting these battles for no other reason than that's peoples 'jobs' and that's what they 'do.'

 

With regard to the (what I consider) degradation of the post into "liberal" vs "conservative" - it's a very shallow interpretation of the deeper human tendencies and institutional structures at work at fundamental levels of our social organization (but a shallow interpretation is exactly how the masses are expected to think). 

 

I'm reminded of the quote by William Morris : "I pondered all these things, and how men fight and lose the battle, and the thing that they fought for comes about in spite of their defeat, and when it comes turns out not to be what they meant, and other men have to fight for what they meant under another name."  ie: it's about the fighting - nothing more, nothing less...

 

I guess we should just be thankful that they're flaming Brad, instead of burning the masses at the stake, or hundreds of thousands of people being slaughtered - which is how this impulse to fight has tended to play out throughout history...

 

I should probably just keep my mouth shut, but there's my $0.02

 

-tid242

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September 15, 2014 2:17:25 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Oh I've heard plenty of talk radio, but that's talk radio. It's not really comparable to Harry Reid using the immunity of the Senate floor to slander people.  I'm unaware of any recent Republican Congressional members accusing people of completely unsubstantiated criminal activities with regularity.  If there are some I've missed, they were probably tossed out of Congress instead of elected Majority Leader.

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September 15, 2014 2:21:45 AM from Galactic Civilizations III Forums Galactic Civilizations III Forums

I know it's difficult to resist folks, but this discussion is starting to get entrenched in party politics. I'm not the forum police, but I don't want to see folks banned because they got way off-topic in a borderline political dev post.

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September 15, 2014 2:23:20 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

I behaved myself the first time, but no one got the joke.

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September 15, 2014 4:13:35 AM from Brad Wardell's Little Tiny Frogs Brad Wardell's Little Tiny Frogs

Quoting Landgrab,

What did Brad get out of posting this? Sure I guess he thinks he's refuting his critics but to me it seems he's hurting his company's image for no good reason. I did not know about his views before, but now that I have read about them, I think rather less of him.

This isn't going to help his lawsuit either.

His lawsuit is over. The case was dismissed and the accuser apologized for bringing the suit.

How is this hurting his company's image exactly? And isn't it clear what he gets out of this? Speaking his mind, standing up against liars and all-around awful human beings. What he gets out of it is pride and self esteem.

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September 15, 2014 5:45:12 AM from Galactic Civilizations III Forums Galactic Civilizations III Forums

Hello

I'm part of the 99% of the guys (and women, don't sexist me please x) ) here supporting frogboy, i mean, he's responsible for having me wasting several hundreds of hours on his games, thinking of destroying monsters, gaining experience and conquering worlds instead of working, gaining more money, having a family life and generally be a good man! 

...

...

...

maybe i should bring him to justice for making all of my life a mess!

 

ok, i'm joking, please don't throw things at me (just in case...)

 

That said, and more seriously, i wasn't aware of all the attacks and harassement on frogboy, for me he was (and still is) just the nice developper guy posting about and patching some of my favorite games, but this:

[...]You won’t find me telling people to “fuck off” or “die in a fire” or calling people “pieces of shit”. or anything of that nature.[...]

and this:

[...]-- only to have a bunch of assholes misrepresent the book[...]


well... that was not the best idea ^^'

Don't get me wrong, i understand being angry, i read the part when frogboy said he can be a jerk and i'm part of the bunch of guys (and women) who are already convinced by whatever is in any post wrote by him.

But, IMHO, for people needing to be convinced, 2 contradictory sentences like that can really kill the purpose of all the post.

 

 

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September 15, 2014 6:00:53 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting FenrisLokison,

But, IMHO, for people needing to be convinced, 2 contradictory sentences like that can really kill the purpose of all the post.

I think most people can tell that the 1st statement, those comments would be directed at individuals, the second statement is directed at a group that attacked him.

Pretty easy reading comprehension even from a knuckle-dragger like myself. 

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September 15, 2014 8:31:49 AM from Brad Wardell's Little Tiny Frogs Brad Wardell's Little Tiny Frogs
And the "pro
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September 15, 2014 10:29:39 AM from Brad Wardell's Little Tiny Frogs Brad Wardell's Little Tiny Frogs

I too have been in a similar situation. They'll take screenshots out of context, post them with their own context and mock you. Have their cronies harass you on twitter or whatever social media you like to use and will pretend you're some kind of racist, sexist angry person with all sorts of issues. It's pretty sad but for some reason these people have power (and a megaphone) among their own kind. 

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September 15, 2014 12:02:08 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Taking things out of context is hardly limited to SJWs.  Anyone looking to discredit an argument via ad hominem will do it.

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September 15, 2014 3:24:46 PM from Brad Wardell's Little Tiny Frogs Brad Wardell's Little Tiny Frogs

I found your post this way...

1) On a sports forum, someone posted a video claiming that women were being objectified in video games.

2) I responded TO THE VIDEO that, while I think it's true, they are objectified, I don't have a lot of sympathy because there are plenty of women who enjoy being sex symbols, i.e. all the girls who go to Comic Can and related events dressed up as these very hyper-sexualized characters the video was complaining about.  So clearly, not every woman feels this way about these characters.  And that I was sick of one-sided conversations about these topics, meaning "conversations" where the men are forced into silence for fear of being labelled a sexist. Which, of course, is exactly what came next.

3) A week later, on an entirely different topic, one of the women on the forum claimed that a week past I had posted that I had no sympathy for "GamerGate" ... I assumed she meant what I had actually commented on, which was a video specifically.  Before I know it, I'm suddenly some piece of shit, how could I be on that side, etc, etc.

4) So I looked up "GamerGate" cause I didn't even know what it was... which led me top your post.

Um, nooooo, I had not commented at ALL about any of this GamerGate business, didn't even know what it was, only about the appearance of sexy characters in video games.  But before I knew it, suddenly I'm some a-hole who supports women being threatened with death and harassed and shamed, and all that business.  What?!

Man, I was such a supporter of feminist causes in college, and I still am.  But I draw a distinction between thoughtful feminism and the self-interested lynch mobs online today.  Sadly the thoughtful guys don't speak up anymore, because this is what happens to them when they do... which means the only guys who ARE speaking up regularly are typically the losers and idiots who really DO have horrible opinions.  So for the most part, only one side really has the floor.  When in history has THAT ever been a good thing?

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September 15, 2014 4:57:51 PM from Galactic Civilizations III Forums Galactic Civilizations III Forums

Unfortunatly in all walks of life theres a vocal minority that have the sole aim of ruining everything for everyone else and only stop when the full weight of society is brought down upon them! by which time alot of damage has already been done.

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September 15, 2014 5:00:26 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

You've been there, and heard the sound, that perfect clap of a wooden bat hitting a speeding ball, and you know without looking it's a home run.

I heard that after reading this one.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/09/15/The-GamerGate-movement-is-making-terrific-progress-don-t-stop-now/

 

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September 15, 2014 8:12:53 PM from Galactic Civilizations III Forums Galactic Civilizations III Forums

Quoting Landgrab,

What did Brad get out of posting this? Sure I guess he thinks he's refuting his critics but to me it seems he's hurting his company's image for no good reason. I did not know about his views before, but now that I have read about them, I think rather less of him.

This isn't going to help his lawsuit either.

 

Stardock exists because Brad enjoys doing it.  He doesn't have shareholders to answer to, so he's free to say what he wants- whether folks agree with it or not (and plenty of times I don't agree).

 

 I did read the book when I moved into my house a couple years ago- it was pretty average to me as far as fiction books went.  I didn't see any racism, just well, a pretty mediocre book.  I rarely read fiction books, esp fantasy fiction unless you count manga involving centaurs.

 

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September 15, 2014 9:56:14 PM from Brad Wardell's Little Tiny Frogs Brad Wardell's Little Tiny Frogs

I joined just so I could reply.

 

#gamergate is probably one of the most brilliantly executed pieces of performance art ever conceived. By its mere existence the SJW can't help but lash out, and with each attack the layers peel back exposing more and more ugliness and hypocrisy,  causing more outrage, pulling more of them in to die on their SJW swords. Perpetual energy fed by SJW hate. 

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September 15, 2014 10:41:06 PM from Brad Wardell's Little Tiny Frogs Brad Wardell's Little Tiny Frogs

Enough with party politics.

I'm in the camp that believes SJWs arent really ideological. It's mainly about saying things that make them feel better about themselves and makes them look good in front of their fellow travelers.

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September 16, 2014 12:39:53 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I haven't read all the comments on the thread but I'm pretty sure it's people read, hear and believe what they want to believe. I had a wierd encounter with someone that asked me what I was working on. I described a game I was making notes on for an idea for a game. It basically was a game where you h ave a hero running around doing quests while you build a city to support him and provide supplies.

This guy got excited about the idea, but then he said it could be a government employee training program to teach how to manipulate people...umm yeah. 

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September 16, 2014 6:32:53 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
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September 16, 2014 12:51:16 PM from Galactic Civilizations III Forums Galactic Civilizations III Forums

I could not support you more.  The cultural Marxists cannot be engaged, only fought.  They have no interest in debate, only subjugation.

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September 16, 2014 5:09:12 PM from Galactic Civilizations III Forums Galactic Civilizations III Forums

I don't like how some folks here lumping in the folks who are pointing out the legit problems and just want to make things better with the SJW types who are out for blood.

 

There are anti-SJW ideologues out there as well, and they've reared their ugly heads plenty during the past two weeks as well.   They might not get noticed as much because there are more of them, but they're just as odious.

 

 

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September 16, 2014 5:33:42 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Using SJW is like saying Islamist, or right wing extremist.  SJW's aren't egalitarians, or even just run of the mill feminists or whichever pet project they're supporting.

 

I am a right wing extremist on most points, I'd gut damn near the entire federal government without batting an eye.  If someone said right wing crazies were a bunch nutters out to dismantle the government, they'd be right on most points.  They wouldn't be referring to republicans, or even conservatives in general.  When someone singles out Islamists for being a bunch of crazy nutters that want all the women mutilated, ignorant, and treated as property their whole lives, they're not trashing muslims in general.  Islamists are specifically those muslims that believe in theocratic rule under one of the most barbaric sets of beliefs to survive the modern age.

 

When someone singles out SJW's for being a bunch of crazy fuckers that run around crucifying anyone that doesn't kowtow to their insane requests for hypersensitivity in every aspect of their lives, they're not trashing people for thinking women shouldn't have to blow their boss to stay employed.  These people are fucking nuts.  Not as crazy as the Islamists are, but a hell of a lot crazier than I am.

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September 16, 2014 9:01:20 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

As i said in another post...

If only these "groups" (doesn't matter which side you are on) actually "believed" in the philosophy in which they claim they are a part of.

GamerGate for the most part has kept the debate one of the most civilized debates i have ever seen. Which that is their goal. They refuse to bring themselves to the level of "If you do not agree with me. Then i will unleash vile, and abusive language, and pull out the racist/sexist/homophobe, etc. etc. card on you!". Sure some idiots spout off BS to try to stir up trouble, but you find that it is quickly refuted, and ignored. Some make a parody of the whole situation, and i find it quite amusing, and refreshing.

Don't get me started on the federal government.. Republican, Democrat IMO both sides are equally USELESS. Let the records speak for themselves. I'll leave it at that.

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