Always remember: You’re not alone

By on January 30, 2014 3:39:35 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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Sometimes I’ll hear someone marvel at how amazing it is that humans have been able to adapt from hunting and gathering to the information age so well in just 10,000 years.  Of course “so well” is subjective.  In reality, as a species, we’re struggling with it. A lot.

Most of my friends who are, let’s say, economic peers of mine, suffer from a surprisingly consistent set of brain demons as I do.  The brain demons giveth and taketh.  I suspect many of you reading this know exactly what I’m talking about.  Intelligence really can be a bitch.  I am still not convinced that the whole “getting out of the trees” thing was a good move for us.

If you’re reading this and are suffering, know you’re not alone.  You’re amongst friends here. You might even be surprised of how many of people you know are with you in struggling against afflictions that seem explicitly created to torment the 21st century human psyche.

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January 30, 2014 9:12:20 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

And then, if you're a redneck, like me, you're totally lost and have no idea what Brad just said....

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January 30, 2014 9:29:18 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I am still not convinced that the whole “getting out of the trees” thing was a good move for us.

certainly wasn't a good move for the earth... i.e. environment and other species...  

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January 30, 2014 9:32:25 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

There are some that would say if humanity turned around they would still see the entrance to the cave.   

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January 30, 2014 10:08:37 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

It's hard to soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys...

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January 30, 2014 10:19:32 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I am still not convinced that the whole “getting out of the trees” thing was a good move for us

It had to happen sooner or later, we're cutting them all down.

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January 30, 2014 10:48:21 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I am still not convinced that the whole “getting out of the trees” thing was a good move for us.

There never was a choice...the advantages of intelligence are there, when applied with humanity.

 

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January 31, 2014 7:01:20 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,
There never was a choice...the advantages of intelligence are there, when applied with humanity.
  ... humanity, grace, humility, that "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".  compassion.

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January 31, 2014 7:27:19 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

 Barb. You mirrored my thoughts exactly.

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January 31, 2014 7:27:40 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting ,
 

Most of my friends who are, let’s say, economic peers of mine, suffer from a surprisingly consistent set of brain demons as I do.  The brain demons giveth and taketh.  I suspect many of you reading this know exactly what I’m talking about. 

I don't. Please elaborate.

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January 31, 2014 7:50:34 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Borg999,


quoting post 

Most of my friends who are, let’s say, economic peers of mine, suffer from a surprisingly consistent set of brain demons as I do.  The brain demons giveth and taketh.  I suspect many of you reading this know exactly what I’m talking about. 

I don't. Please elaborate.

 

Ditto...

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January 31, 2014 8:00:13 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

You can take the man out of the cave...but you'll never take the cave out of the man. I've always found it funny how we refer to ourselves as civilized when we're anything but that. Just look at how we treat the helpless and weak...when you think about it...we never left the caves...we just put on different cloths. There are very few people responsible for our advancements...the rest of us are just riding along. Take away all these so-called advancements and we're only a few steps away from the front of the cave.

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January 31, 2014 8:18:13 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I am still not convinced that the whole “getting out of the trees” thing was a good move for us.

When did that happen?   lol  

   Tree hugger.

And some people bring the trees to their house.

 

And last but not least.    Unless you have a headache.  Where's that tree house? 

 

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January 31, 2014 4:43:48 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

After re-reading the title and considering the content of the OP, I'm guessing you're having trouble with trolls, and assorted Internet jerks again?

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February 3, 2014 1:37:43 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

In all candor, given humanities' collective and individual expertise in using our awesome intelligence ('wise apes') to rationalize decisions that are often truly horrid - I wonder.  We have the capability to ascend (metaphorically) to the heights of heaven and to the depths of Sheol.  Yet I think the jury is still out as to whether a high intelligence is truly a benefit to the long term survival of 'us.'

Can trolls climb trees?

BTW, I am not so sure we hunter gather types have really adopted to this post industrial info age.  It seems to me, that for many, we have created an emotionally toxic culture.  But that's for another thread...

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February 3, 2014 2:30:42 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Intelligence doesn't matter; we are trapped in our universe and when the universe ends, so do we. The only difference between us and animals is, that we are aware that we're trapped.

 

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February 3, 2014 10:44:19 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting GeomanNL,
Intelligence doesn't matter; we are trapped in our universe and when the universe ends, so do we. The only difference between us and animals is, that we are aware that we're trapped.

 

Forget the universe, humans are trapped on Earth.

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February 3, 2014 11:12:21 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Can always get off. Few dozen really balloons should do it.

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February 3, 2014 11:54:13 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting GeomanNL,

Intelligence doesn't matter; we are trapped in our universe and when the universe ends, so do we. The only difference between us and animals is, that we are aware that we're trapped.

 

 

I'm not trapped in the universe, I'm part of the universe; and we have a long time yet to go: if we so choose.  All that really matters is what we make of the gifts that the universe provides for us right here and now, (an Earthen body itself is a pretty big gift opening up near limitless possibilities).  General animal behavior appears to support a similar perspective.  I don't think this trapped feeling you describe is universal.  In fact, the universe as it is defined is dependent in whole upon the sensual faculties of the definer (the observer / observed principle).  A creature that contains no photo-receptive cells knows nothing of light.  This does not imply that said creature is in a dark prison, simply that it knows nothing of light.  Space and matter themselves require the time you put into being aware of them to exist (m=e/c^2).  The universe is an extension of you: your plaything; not a prison toward impending doom.  The word "universe" really implies the speaker's defined sensual limitations; not some shoebox that we inhabit as action figures.  Time provides possibilities for growth, not death.  How we decide to meet death is simply another character building exercise, and depending upon our decision, can also be an opportunity to help others ten fold.  Our environment and future are what we make of them, and are more interdependent upon our perspective of, and relationship with "the universe as a whole" than anything else.  This is why it is so important to maintain reverence for life itself - because this reverence breeds beauty.

Intelligence is purely a side effect of health.  I can find no argument against every living beings' right to health.

 

Re: the OP - I'm currently trying to live in the trees as much as possible.  However I did push the notion a bit too far earlier in life, enough to give me the perspective to notice an incongruity with the modern world.  One must recognize whether the jungle they are currently in is made of trees or concrete, and either live accordingly, or move.  Ultimately I've found slow, steady, deliberate changes towards a more wholistic daily routine to be most effective in finding balance (slaying the "brain demons").  Diet and exercise are everything.  At the same time, my passions for a small farm in some remote corner of the globe have only grown.

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February 3, 2014 11:57:07 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting cardinaldirection,
my passions for a small farm in some remote corner of the globe have only grown.
  

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February 3, 2014 3:44:38 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Most of my friends who are, let’s say, economic peers of mine, suffer from a surprisingly consistent set of brain demons as I do.

Those of us that aren't your economic peers also have demons, it's just that we can't necessarily afford to do anything about them.

 

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February 3, 2014 9:42:58 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Mumblefratz,

Those of us that aren't your economic peers also have demons, it's just that we can't necessarily afford to do anything about them.

 

 

You're not alone.

 

 

Thanks for the comforting reminder Frog.

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February 3, 2014 10:07:36 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

It's been my profession for the last decade to help people fight their own demons.  Never believe you are alone, that life can't get better, or that the people around you would be better off without you.  Those are the greatest, insidious lies a depressed mind will tell itself.  For some of us, life has a great deal more obstacles and trials than others, but never give up.  There is always a chance for some joy in your life, You don't know what the future holds and most of our great problems are in how we see the world.  “The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven..” - John Milton.  

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February 4, 2014 12:27:46 AM from Little Tiny Frogs Forums Little Tiny Frogs Forums

I was referring to bouts of depression that have no specific cause.

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February 5, 2014 5:33:15 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Be satisfied with what you've got; see a few positive things. That also works.

 

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February 5, 2014 6:47:35 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting Frogboy,

I was referring to bouts of depression that have no specific cause.

 

OK, but why did you specifically mentioned your economic peers? People from all economic levels of society suffer from depression.

It not jus a condition of the wealthy.

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