Elemental: July 2013 Status Report

By on July 30, 2013 7:42:24 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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Greetings!

So here we are! July 2013.  Next month will mark the 3 year anniversary of the launch of the first Elemental game!

2010: Elemental: War of Magic

2012: Elemental: Fallen Enchantress

2013: Elemental: Fallen Enchantress – Legendary Heroes

Could we worse. Could be like Star War: Episode 2: Attack of the Clones! Smile

So where do we stand?

Legendary Heroes v1.3

We are still working on v1.3.  The AI got a major overhaul for v1.3 and so there’s a lot of play testing in this.  In hindsight, redoing the monster behavior and the player AI for the same version probably was a bad idea. But in the long run, it’s better to get this out of the way so that players can feel like the world makes more sense.

One nice little touch in 1.3 is that the AI will inform you when it’s cast an offensive spell (see below):

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A lot of the AI updates in v1.3 have to do with handling path finding and massing of troops.  There’s been some new internal APIs programmed in that have made it a lot easier for the AI to put together more effective armies.  The AI will also interact more with the player.

For those who play on below normal difficulty levels, have no fear. While the AI will be more “intelligent” we are lowering the resources that they get a bit and making them make fewer decisions per turn so that they aren’t so overwhelming.

Next up for Fallen Enchantress

We have some stuff in the works but it’ll be awhile before we’re ready to announce it.  Fallen Enchantress will continue to go forward with meaningful updates that we’re funding with the DLC purchases.  The DLC system turns out to be a good system as players are able to get more optional content which in turn lets us keep adding new features to the game itself.

v1.4 will probably focus on some UI and performance related items and v1.5 will (I hope) be the big diplomacy update. 

Beyond Fallen Enchantress

There’s a lot more we want to do with the Elemental world.  We debate regularly about what we should name future things.

I.e. Elemental II? Fallen Enchantress II? Elemental: Something New? Or a completely new series?  Tell us in the comments what you think.

Multiplayer

We have a lot of requests for this.  Here’s the basic issue.  The tactical battle system in the Elemental games was not written in a way that allows for multiplayer. All the actions in it happen within its own box. The short version is that all the tactical battle stuff would have to be rewritten, from scratch, to have the tactical battles happen in multiplayer and that’s just not going to happen. That would be extremely expensive for us.  It’s not that we don’t think there should be multiplayer. It’s just a cost/benefit ratio (not just in terms of dollars but in terms of human assets that would have to be taken from other projects). It’s not something I’m happy about either.

More DLC

The DLC has been doing extremely well. Thank you for your continued support! We have more on the way.  The next one we have in mind is called the “Loot pack” which is just adding a ton of new items to the world.  If that does well, there’s more spells and equipment that could be added to the game world as well. 

It would be amazing if we could keep making free Fallen Enchantress updates for years to come with optional DLC paying for it. Talk about a good deal for players.  I’d like to see the kinds of feature improvements to Fallen Enchantress: Legendary Heroes that you’d normally see in an expansion.  The biggest problem then comes down to naming (i.e. do we need to come up with Fallen Enchantress: Infinite Edition or something someday? Give us your opinions there).

Anyway, we are just beginning still with the Elemental universe! Stay tuned!  We would love to hear your thoughts on the game name issues (in terms of making it straight forward to new players).

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August 12, 2013 3:33:29 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums



Multiplayer

We have a lot of requests for this.  Here’s the basic issue.  The tactical battle system in the Elemental games was not written in a way that allows for multiplayer. All the actions in it happen within its own box. The short version is that all the tactical battle stuff would have to be rewritten, from scratch, to have the tactical battles happen in multiplayer and that’s just not going to happen. That would be extremely expensive for us.  It’s not that we don’t think there should be multiplayer. It’s just a cost/benefit ratio (not just in terms of dollars but in terms of human assets that would have to be taken from other projects). It’s not something I’m happy about either.

This is the end of that then.

Such potential, wasted on a stupid decision from the very start.




The DLC has been doing extremely well. Thank you for your continued support! We have more on the way.  The next one we have in mind is called the “Loot pack” which is just adding a ton of new items to the world.  If that does well, there’s more spells and equipment that could be added to the game world as well. 

In other words, nothing that Modders with access to some form of a creation kit couldn't come up with in 1 afternoon.

It would be amazing if we could keep making free Fallen Enchantress updates for years to come with optional DLC paying for it. Talk about a good deal for players.  

Oh yes, the world is filled with paid updates for games after their release...

Whatever, I'm done with the Elemental series so long as the company goes down this route of depending on selling things of quality that barely surpasses if at all the quality of the Mods.

Imagine, Bethesda's only DLCs for Skyrim were "Patch 1.5", Weapons Pack, Loot Pack, Spells Pack, etc...

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August 12, 2013 4:23:59 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

While it would be nice if the DLC was stuff that modders couldn't do, it's not like they locked the game down just to sell you stuff that modders could make.  You have full access to free tools necessary to make all assets required to add such content yourself because they provided you with an open, easily modified engine to play with.  If they hadn't, you wouldn't be valid in complaining about it.

 

Elemental was a dog of a release, and for our trouble, those of us that bought it got two more iterations out of them for free, with above normal support for each version.  What we have in FE and FE:LH, are the makings of good strategy games.  Now you're going to whine about their DLC?

 

Companies make stuff for money, or they don't make stuff at all.  Buy it if you like it, pass on it if you don't.  The market will give them the hint if you happen to be in the majority.  Giving them shit for it is just you being butt hurt because they aren't fulfilling your every desire.

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August 12, 2013 4:31:12 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I will not complain as long as Stardock continue to make strategy games. If you switch to MMO or microtransactions I will bring out the whipstick though

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August 12, 2013 8:19:42 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Replicators you are just being a troll. Modders could not have made either of the DLCs in an afternoon, that's a clueless assessment.

Why don't you lose the bellyaching and make a mod yourself?

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August 12, 2013 9:28:51 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Replicators,

Imagine, Bethesda's only DLCs for Skyrim were "Patch 1.5", Weapons Pack, Loot Pack, Spells Pack, etc...

Imagine if Bethesda had a history of selling tiny content DLC in between large, paid expansion packs that significantly added to the game.  Good thing Stardock isn't going that route...  Thank god they haven't released a significant expansion pack that greatly altered and improved the game already and followed it up with small content DLC.  

Hey Brad, you know what LH needs?  

More horse armor. 

 

 

 

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August 12, 2013 11:04:09 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I think more diplomatic option is good addition, like trade city, champion, and the ability to trade peace/force peace treaty. Plus a champion editor without mod is also a nice addition.

 

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August 12, 2013 3:02:00 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting davrovana,
Replicators you are just being a troll. Modders could not have made either of the DLCs in an afternoon, that's a clueless assessment.

Why don't you lose the bellyaching and make a mod yourself?

I was referring to the loot, spells pack.

Within 1 day of release of the Skyrim Creation Kit, there were more "Loot", and spells added to the game w/ mods than there are items in FE.

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August 12, 2013 3:08:37 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Replicators,


Quoting davrovana, reply 79Replicators you are just being a troll. Modders could not have made either of the DLCs in an afternoon, that's a clueless assessment.

Why don't you lose the bellyaching and make a mod yourself?


I was referring to the loot, spells pack.

Within 1 day of release of the Skyrim Creation Kit, there were more "Loot", and spells added to the game w/ mods than there are items in FE.

That has nothing to do with the order of magnitude greater size of the playerbase and mod community for Skyrim.  Nothing at all.  It is a perfectly valid comparison. 

In fact it is brilliant. 

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August 12, 2013 3:21:01 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Replicators,

I was referring to the loot, spells pack.

Within 1 day of release of the Skyrim Creation Kit, there were more "Loot", and spells added to the game w/ mods than there are items in FE.

I must have missed the part of Skyrim where it's a turn-based fantasy strategy game in the vein of MoM.  I really thought it was the latest overpriced first-person RPG from Bethesda Studios.  Oh wait, yes, I am correct.  Why are we talking about Skyrim on these forums?

If you don't want to pay $5 for a DLC, don't buy the DLC.  If you bought the DLC and are unhappy with it, contact Stardock and perhaps you they can work something out.  If you're just trolling the forums, do please go away.

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August 12, 2013 3:44:02 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting sweatyboatman,

  If you're just trolling the forums, do please go away.

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August 13, 2013 4:30:29 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Where's the August update ?

 

Moar please.

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