What does Influence actually do?

By on November 14, 2012 11:01:20 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Martimus

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I have to admit that even though I have been playing this game since the first beta from EWOM, I have no clue what influence does. What does influence do in the game?  Could a tool tip be added to it explaning it, since it isn't very intuitive what it actually does.

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November 14, 2012 11:10:43 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

From the manual:

Influence - Influence is a crucial resource for dealing with other nations and creatures of the world. It can be used directly as a currency when trading with other nations, as well as altering the value of your goods in trades with others. In addition, when building camps to recruit wild creatures, such a dragons and ogres, you will need influence to get your construction underway. Influence can be gained through city improvements and resource nodes in the world.

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November 14, 2012 11:16:17 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

This is copied from something I posted on another website when this was asked.

 

It has a few uses and is more useful depending on what leader/faction you are playing. For the average nation, you can use it to build things like ogre camps, mercenary camps, dragon lairs, those things if you have researched them and have the map resource. Also, you can use them to trade for more useful stuff from the ai, like gold, metal, etc. Also, if you want to build Sions, you will need 100 influence to do so. Sions are truly difficult to get any use out of, and I wouldn't bother until you really know the game well, and even then it's iffy.

Now, some specific things you can do with influence based on your leader or faction.

If you are playing Kraxis, or custom made faction with Betrayer, you can use 500 influence to steal another factions city from them. I have never done this, I have no idea how well it works.

If you are playing as Altar, or a custom faction with the race of "men", than you need 50 influence to build each Henchman, a very useful unit, kind o fa mini-champion.

If you are playing a leader that has the Diplomat profession, like Karavox, than you can spend 30 influence in battle to try to make a enemy trained unit defect to your side using the silver tongue ability. This can be a fun mechanic.

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November 14, 2012 12:19:09 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums


It's boring.

Needs a complete overhaul imo.

  • Heroes should cost influence to hire, not gildar. Additional heroes should cost incrementally increased influence.
  • Empire growth should be a dependant factor based on how much influence you have.

I put together a suggestion proposal that can be found here: http://forums.elementalgame.com/433096

 

 

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November 14, 2012 12:59:24 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Thanks. I forgot about wildings and such costing influence. I didn't know that henchmen cost influence, so that is good to know. I was thinking that influence might have some correlation to diplomatic relations, but had no idea how that worked. I am going to assume it does not, and only worry about keeping enough to hire henchmen.

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November 14, 2012 1:03:19 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Like the ideas, Firefly. Influence is kind of a "tack on" mechanic. I'd love to see it more integrated earlier on. You have to be very intentional about finding/using it, and I think the role could be expanded and integrated like you mention.

It almost makes me wonder why there's both Prestige and Influence. They kind of mean the same thing and could be combined to work together. Prestige is also a hard one to get to use/understand.

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November 14, 2012 1:04:16 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums
Well, it has a correlation to diplomatic relations as you can use it as currency for trades, for example trading x influence (or mix of influence and other goods for any goods you desire from the AI. Or in order to make the AI accept treaty proposals.
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November 14, 2012 1:31:38 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting GFireflyE,

It's boring.

Needs a complete overhaul imo.


Heroes should cost influence to hire, not gildar. Additional heroes should cost incrementally increased influence.
Empire growth should be a dependant factor based on how much influence you have.

I put together a suggestion proposal that can be found here: http://forums.elementalgame.com/433096

 

 

 

This is a great idea, and makes logical sense.

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November 14, 2012 1:33:39 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

The funny thing is, that Influence is suppose to be traded to the AI for peace treaties, materials and shit like that.  But, they don' value it very high.  I think Influence is worth 2 gold to them.  But if you need Influence to build a resource or henchman and want to trade for the influence they have, it cost 100 gold per influence.  It's pretty fucking ridiculous.  Also, unless you have the Heroic faction trait, you will never have very much Influence.  So this fucks Kraxis the most, as they have two special abilities that need influence and no way to build it.  Altar on the other hand, needs 50 per henchman, but has heroic and wanderlust so they can get thousands of influence and can build dozens of Henchmen.  

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November 14, 2012 1:56:25 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

It doesn't make sense to me for influence to be resource that can be gathered and spent like currency.  It would make more sense as a sliding scale that affects your diplomatic relations and overall "health" of your empire.

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November 14, 2012 5:02:48 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I think it would be great if influence would affect a city's defenses. 

 

- Rallying Cry. Sway the locals to your cause. This adds a minor bonus to a city defender's attack/defense/hp.

- Last Stand. This adds a moderate bonus to a city defender's attack/defense/hp, and is castable/usable once per city.

 

The more that I think about it, the more I think that influence could be used to implement espionage.

- Desertion. An opponent within your borders has random units leave his party or return to his nearest town.

- Safety in Numbers. Cast on a unit (sovereign/champion) or party. This inflates the party's combat rating for a duration. 

- Natural Diplomacy. Wandering creature wanders away from your borders.

- Natural Guidance. Wandering creature moves toward an opponent. The player pick's the opponent or opposing city, and the creature's liklihood to reach its destination is affected by the spell caster's level, creature's type and level.

 

Edit: 'Rumored Threat' renamed 'Safety in Numbers'.

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November 14, 2012 5:12:19 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Champions should have a salary---but a powerful champion should actually start adding influence.

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November 14, 2012 5:17:15 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I'm not sure about it but the AI seems to consider the amount of influence you have/get per turn and this accounts as a diplomatic bonus in foreign relations with other kingdom (+2).

 

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November 14, 2012 6:16:29 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting McNegro,
I think it would be great if influence would affect a city's defenses. 

 

- Rallying Cry. Sway the locals to your cause. This adds a minor bonus to a city defender's attack/defense/hp.

- Last Stand. This adds a moderate bonus to a city defender's attack/defense/hp, and is castable/usable once per city.

 

The more that I think about it, the more I think that influence could be used to implement espionage.

- Desertion. An opponent within your borders has random units leave his party or return to his nearest town.

- Safety in Numbers. Cast on a unit (sovereign/champion) or party. This inflates the party's combat rating for a duration. 

- Natural Diplomacy. Wandering creature wanders away from your borders.

- Natural Guidance. Wandering creature moves toward an opponent. The player pick's the opponent or opposing city, and the creature's liklihood to reach its destination is affected by the spell caster's level, creature's type and level.

 

Edit: 'Rumored Threat' renamed 'Safety in Numbers'.

 

There is a mod which does exactly this. You can spend influence to spy and counterspy, etc. I've played with it a bit, and it seems to work OK. It's called Espionage and is at v0.91 as I write this (http://www.wincustomize.com/explore/elemental_fallen_enchantress#/page/2)

 

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November 14, 2012 8:20:04 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting GFireflyE,

It's boring.

Needs a complete overhaul imo.


Heroes should cost influence to hire, not gildar. Additional heroes should cost incrementally increased influence.
Empire growth should be a dependant factor based on how much influence you have.

I put together a suggestion proposal that can be found here: http://forums.elementalgame.com/433096

 

 

 

How do we propose this - an excellent suggestion

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November 14, 2012 8:45:08 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting GFireflyE,

It's boring.

Needs a complete overhaul imo.


Heroes should cost influence to hire, not gildar. Additional heroes should cost incrementally increased influence.
Empire growth should be a dependant factor based on how much influence you have.

I put together a suggestion proposal that can be found here: http://forums.elementalgame.com/433096

 

 

This needs to happen. It's a perfect way to balance out the heroes.

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November 14, 2012 10:47:18 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Thanks for the heads up!

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November 15, 2012 5:24:15 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

I agree too with giving more uses to influence, as it would add one more layer to strategy

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November 15, 2012 8:16:03 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting ,
I have to admit that even though I have been playing this game since the first beta from EWOM, I have no clue what influence does. What does influence do in the game?  Could a tool tip be added to it explaning it, since it isn't very intuitive what it actually does.

 

I don't think it really does anything. Personally I just ignore it and I have been playing since WOM as well. I think it was suppose to be like CIV where depending on your Influence score will determine how other players treat with you in Diplomacy however since Diplomacy is messed up in this game it kinda makes it meaningless. I mean after all everyone declares war on you pretty early in the game and it is pretty much stays that way until the end. Hopefully they will fix diplomacy at some time.

 

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November 15, 2012 8:17:57 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting Martimus,
Thanks. I forgot about wildings and such costing influence. I didn't know that henchmen cost influence, so that is good to know. I was thinking that influence might have some correlation to diplomatic relations, but had no idea how that worked. I am going to assume it does not, and only worry about keeping enough to hire henchmen.

I've been using Hechmen and such all this time but never knew they cost influence

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November 15, 2012 9:31:39 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Lord Xia,
The funny thing is, that Influence is suppose to be traded to the AI for peace treaties, materials and shit like that.  But, they don' value it very high.  I think Influence is worth 2 gold to them.  But if you need Influence to build a resource or henchman and want to trade for the influence they have, it cost 100 gold per influence.  It's pretty fucking ridiculous.  Also, unless you have the Heroic faction trait, you will never have very much Influence.  So this fucks Kraxis the most, as they have two special abilities that need influence and no way to build it.  Altar on the other hand, needs 50 per henchman, but has heroic and wanderlust so they can get thousands of influence and can build dozens of Henchmen.  

 

Agreed

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