Why are you suggesting we nerf Tarth and Umber? Do you play Tarth? I know I do, and I have an easier time playing the game with Kraxis, Altar, or Gilden than I do with Tarth.

I don't necessarily agree with this statement. Play a desert map where most tiles are not forests, rivers, swamps or hills. Although, hills are the most common here the Master Scouts ability does not make a huge bonus. Master scouts is only good on certain types of maps, namely those maps with a lot of rough terrain.

So the problem is that master scouts big bonus on rough terrain maps, while on less rough terrain more temperate or desert maps it becomes much less of an ability and really no bonus at all. The problem with master scouts is the ability to balance it with all type of terrain maps. In overall bonus, I just don't see it as worth 4 points.

I also don't agree with the assessment that ignoring terrain equates to more xp. Each battle does take time to recover from and you just don't necessarily have the mana reserves to recoup quickly enough to get the +50% bonus to xp as was suggested. It would be closer to around +15% to +25%, if there is a bonus.

I know lots of people seem to complain that master scouts is overpowered, but I just don't see it. I think there are other skills that are much more overpowered for the cost. Ask Tuidjy for some good suggestions here because of all his builds he's done to win on ridiculuos or insane does not include master scouts.

Stealth is a great trait for new gamers. It allows you to pick and choose your battles for yourself.

Stealth has already been (for the better) limited in its use because although you can ignore monsters for your units, but you cannot ignore them from your cities. Therefore, you do have to be careful about that placement, just like any other faction.

Hence, the roaming monsters do cause some worries for your faction, because you lose the ability to KITE the monsters away from your cities. This is one of the major drawback.

For example, a big monsters is around your city and you need to make sure it doesn't attack it. If you have a weak unit you can get the monsters attention and walk that monster away from your cities. With stealth that is no longer a viable option. Thus, any monster in your territory that is headed towards a city, must be dealt with and killed otherwise you will can lose that city.

I know a lot of people see the positives to the bonus, and forget that there are some negatives to this bonus as well.

Not sure if we need to limit this skill to monsters of strong or more to be immune. Make more sense to have monsters with particular hunting traits that stealth does not work against, but I'm not sure that this would be necessary for this trait.

They are fine as is.