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[0.992] Shadow Dagger

October 19, 2012 1:56:59 PM from Elemental ForumsElemental Forums

Shadow Dagger: 7 Attack, +4 Initiative, +1 Counterattack, Ignores 66% Defence, Value 59. It is so powerful, so good for kiting, especially with enchantments. I prefer Shadow Dagger to some Rare weapons. Maybe it should be Uncommon.

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Kongdej
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Reply #1 October 19, 2012 1:58:31 PM
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The early-game is so devoid of useful weapons,
While I always hope to loot a shadow-dagger early, I still hope for someday when I wont pick daggers over maces ^^ (nonmagical daggers, 6 attack version)

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Reply #2 October 19, 2012 5:01:09 PM
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i long for the day when i give my mages staves and wands rather than dagger to make them able to cast spells more often ...

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Reply #3 October 19, 2012 5:11:13 PM
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Quoting Glowing_Ember,
reply 2

i long for the day when i give my mages staves and wands rather than dagger to make them able to cast spells more often ...

Prolly gonna be a mod up "soon" after release with that feature, I know I will mod it into my game if the modding tools are good enough. (And "dumbed" down enough so I can use them)

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Reply #4 October 22, 2012 7:41:42 AM
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My Lady Irane just defeated Clambercoil Dragon with only Shadow Dagger, Leather and Rusty armor pieces and a couple of potions. She had Shadow Strike 2 that ignores 50% Defence. So Shadow Dagger together with Shadow Strike 2 completely ignores armor. Shadow Dagger is much better than spears, because it gives +4 Initiative, Counterattack, ignores more Defence and has no Weight. Add to this Burning Blade and Finesse, and it becomes dragon-killer. Cast Shrink to dragon, Haste to Irane and gg.

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Reply #5 October 22, 2012 11:12:57 AM
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Harmonius, you make no sense. With all the things your sovereign had going for her, she could have made the kill, almost as easily and with more reward, with a practice sword, and it would have not been much harder with a rusty sword.

And of course, unless you can stack damage (Burning blade, lethal line, swordsman line) you are better off with a more damaging blade.  Hell, I cannot imagine a situation in which I would not rather have a skath blade, let alone an assassin blade, serrated anything, etc...

The Shadow dagger is one of the two weapons I enjoy finding early on. In my last play-through, I found both a Shadow dagger and a practice sword before turn 40. I ended up using the practice sword. Why? Because what I can kill with the dagger, I can kill with the sword, but I get 5-6 more xpt per garrote, so I do not see the point in killing them a tiny bit faster.  And I am not sure about the faster.

Edit: the bonus xpt does not matter much for the sovereign, but it adds up for the spearmen and archers he is leading.

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Reply #6 October 22, 2012 12:58:05 PM
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I just tried to defeat Clambercoil Dragon with other weapons and the dragon defeated me. My Lady Irane makes 8-18 damage to the dragon with Shadow Dagger. For comparison, Short Sword makes only 3-9 damage to the dragon. It is because Shadow Strike 2 + Shadow Dagger completely ignores armor.

All I suggest is to make Shadow Dagger Uncommon.

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Reply #7 October 22, 2012 2:06:27 PM
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Don't you TOUCH my Shadow Dagger!

We need more weapons + Armor of this caliber. It screams 'unique'!!

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Reply #8 October 22, 2012 2:14:52 PM
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Quoting GFireflyE,
reply 8

Don't you TOUCH my Shadow Dagger!

We need more weapons + Armor of this caliber. It screams 'unique'!!

Yea I like a lot of the unique weapons, I just wish there were more early-game weapons where I'm actually excited to see them drop... Or lategame weapons for that matter, all I go for right now is swords.

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Reply #9 October 22, 2012 2:35:58 PM
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The loot table for weapons and armor has been badly nerfed.  In my ridiculous/ridiculous games, I equip my guys from my shops. 

Of course, there are plenty of total unbalancing early drops, just not equippable ones, as one could see if I could get around to posting Borislav's adventurers.  The game is up to turn 55, it's quite interesting, but I am sitting in a stupid radio station, waiting for a team of geeks to find problems in my embedded software so I can fix them.  By the way, anyone who tells you that there are no brown widows / recluses in California is lying to you.

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Reply #10 October 22, 2012 4:20:57 PM
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Quoting Tuidjy,
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The loot table for weapons and armor has been badly nerfed. In my ridiculous/ridiculous games, I equip my guys from my shops.

Its not so much it have been nerfed, that most weapons that doesn't have "Counter Attack" are just poor compared to "Counter Attack"...

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Reply #11 October 23, 2012 8:47:46 AM
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Druss Blade, anyone?

 

Seriously - lvl 18?  By lvl 18, most of the time I've forgotten that I got the sword 10 levels ago.

 

Can't wait for release today and mod the crap out of the weapon drops to do some unique (even if no powerful) things.

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Reply #12 October 23, 2012 3:48:48 PM
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Quoting dangerlinto,
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Can't wait for release today and mod the crap out of the weapon drops to do some unique (even if no powerful) things.

Got that feeling too... Well "opening downloads page"...

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