Wizard1200

I disagree with this. By the time you actually tech up to the spellbooks (they dont come until midgame generally, by which time champion development is set), you'll almost always have access to all the spell schools you need through other champions. (unless that changes and spellcasting champs become rarer, which I'd like to see)

I don't find the Pariden spellbooks all that useful, TBH. Scrying Pools and Arcane Monolith are the real stars of that Pariden Enchanters ability.  I rarely end up imbuing another champion or sovereign  with a spell ability, because there are only so many levels I gain during the game to level their existing ones up.

I like the spellbook cost increase. Note that it seems to cost 2 points to buy a new school, and 1 point to advance a school. I like this because it means it's easier to specialize, than to generalize your Sovereign. I like the individualization this gives, and I like that it helps make it slightly more difficult for your Sovereign to be good at melee AND at spellcasting, or for your Sovereign just to be good at everything in general (though more work needs done in this regard).

yes  casters should be much rarer (and much more focused on a certain role instead of the usual jack of all trades)

anyway spellbooks should just be removed from the game its an unfun mechanic and really not necessary

I can't see anyone, under any circumstances, willingly making their building queues take twice as long.  -25% is a harsh enough penalty in the game, where at present, construction is so vital, and queues are so congested from having to build every little thing, even having to build resources in cities that arent specced for production.

The only one of the weaknesses I see that needs to be any more severe, is Vulnerable to Magic, and even then we won't be able to judge that until the game actually starts using magic against the player on a wider basis. Right now it doesnt often come into play, and -20 doesn't seem like a big deal, especially when there are plenty of ways to offset it. 

its not twice

its 50% longer...

if it would take 100 turns then it will be 150

Ah yes. I read that as -50% building production.

Still, far too much. The existing 25 % penalty is quite severe enough. I certainly  wouldn't want it.  It's already ruined Pariden for me.

I'm not actually willing to live with any of the current Sovereign weaknesses, except for the Spell Resistance one (which I now fully expect will be increased now that I've said that).

Please don't start this again. You looked silly enough saying this in the other thread.

She/Pariden is still powerful. But that new malus is more than I'm willing to live with.

In any event, I won't pollute this thread with arguments about an obsolete build.  Anyone who wants can go to that thread, and read the arguments for themselves and make up their own mind.  Or, you know. Just bang their head against a wall for 5 minutes or so, which will produce roughly the same effect.

From another topic:

I agree.

I think the spells of a fire mage will be resisted much more if he has the cowardly weakness, because the spell resistance helps now against damage spells, too, which is a great change. This makes vulnerable to magic more dangerous, too.

Mantel of Oceans and Blizzard should not be in the same school in my opinion, because the player gets a 40 % mana reduction AND can damage multiple units within a large radius. With the path of the mage, mantel of oceans, affinity and the adept robe a single Blizzard costs 5 mana and kills a complete army.

Fireball with the smaller area of effect should be very good against large units, but it should be more difficult to hit units that are scattered over the map. Blizzard with the bigger area of effect should be very good against single units that are scattered over the map.

Fireball: 18 fire damage and 6 fire damage per shard, damage is NOT multplied with the number of units, 50 mana, casting time 1 -> 6 fire damage and 2 fire damage per shard, damage is multiplied with the number of units, 40 mana, casting time 1

Billzzard: 8 cold damage and 4 cold damage per shard, damage is multplied with the number of units, 30 mana, casting time 2 -> 15 cold damage and 5 cold damage per shard, damage is NOT multiplied with the number of units, 40 mana, casting time 1

Yeah i think that the AI uses damage spells rarely is a huge problem at the moment and as soon the AI uses spells trained units will be less useful, because with the high damage differences they can be wiped out before (Pillar of Flame, Vertrars Howl, ...) or in (Fireball, Blizzard, ...) tactical combat.