Live blogging Windows 8 first day

By on August 16, 2012 6:12:37 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Draginol

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Freshly installed over my Windows 7 system.  Normally I would do a full rebuild but most people who are upgrading aren’t going to do that.

Remembering the experience formerly known as Metro:

First Impressions

A lot of tools are now very difficult to find.  I can’t find the event viewer. Typing it in the search area brings up nothing.  In fact, uninstalling things is actually quite a pain because now you have to first go to control panel and then the add/remove programs (you can’t just search for control panel applets in Windows 8).

Where’s the registry editor?

The right-click menu hangs on the desktop every time I do it.  I’m trying to look into why that might be. I’ll probably go to the registry and get rid of the extra crap….which…I can’t because the registry editor seems to be gone (i.e. I can’t type registry and bring up the registry editor)…

My password…

Windows 8 changed my desktop logon password to my Live ID password without asking.

MSConfig

MSConfig is still easily accessible. From that, I was able to get to the registry editor and go to HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT \ Directory \ Background \ shellex \ ContextMenuHandlers to remove legacy shell handlers.

Backgrounds

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I like the new desktop backgrounds. Though, they were a bit skimpy on the quantity of them.

The Search

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Nothing comes up if you type reged but if you type out the entire word, regedit, it will show up.  This strikes me as a significant back step.

The Store…

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I’m running at 2560 x 1440.

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Amazing apps.

Ok, I’m going to download and use Wikipedia.

Feel free to tell me how stupid I am.  I cannot figure out how to search…

Ok, I figured it out. I have to move my mouse to the top right to bring up the charms bar, then I move the mouse down to the search. Mind you, because I have multiple monitors, this is a pain in the ass. It is really too much for the app to have the search field displayed without having to make multiple clicks?

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The Shell

YMMV but the new shell strikes me as a step back.

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They’ve brought back, by default, the menubar. And there’s no obvious way to make it go away. There’s a bit of sloppiness here (two menu items called Manage? I know they relate to their corresponding tools action item but still).  It’s not a biggie, just would like an obvious way to get rid of that menu bar entirely.

Performance

I can’t put my finger on it but it feels sluggish. Launching things is noticeably faster. It’s snappier when opening windows. But when I’m typing or interacting with apps I’m used to interacting day in and day out, they feel sluggish (even typing this blog in, I’m feeling a slight delay between the key press and the letter appearing). That is probably something specific to my machine or the fact I didn’t install on a clean machine so take that with a grain of salt.

Some nice things

One very nice feature they threw in for multiple monitor users is that each monitor essentially acts as its own quasi-independent display.  The jury on usability remains out on it but it’s got promise.

Some quick conclusions

The desktop experience of Windows 8 is as about as good as Windows 7.  That said, I can’t really say users gain anything upgrading to Windows 8 from Windows 7.

My single biggest gripe, and it’s kind of a show-stopper, is “Metro”.  I like tablets. I have several. I plan to get Surface. I have a Lenovo tablet on order. But trying to combine the two experiences together was a mistake and it’s going to cost them. I can’t imagine an enterprise customer upgrading to this. 

Users who like to have the latest/greatest will be at a cross-roads here.  If you have multiple monitors, the experience kind of sucks overall because – and remember this carefully – the entire new user metaphor for Windows 8 is premised around moving the mouse to screen edges.  That is how you’re supposed to navigate the Windows 8 ecosystem.

I’m also not sure what we’re supposed to make out of Metro (Windows 8 UI) style apps. They’re clearly designed for tablets running at around 150dpi at lower resolution.  I’m not sure what a traditional PC user is supposed to do with these apps. They’re not useful – so far.  They’d be fine on a tablet but on a desktop.

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There is also a lack of polish in the Metro apps. They feel rushed to me.  Take the weather app. Look closely at it. Does this compete well?  Some of the images have masking problems (where the image was originally on a different colored background). Compare this app to what you see on iOS or Android even.

Overall

Overall, if I got Windows 8 on a new machine, it wouldn’t be the end of the world. It’s not a bad OS. It’s just a significant step down from Windows 7.  Coming from say Windows XP or Vista, it’s a step up.

I would really like to see Microsoft put some effort into updating Windows 8 to be less schizophrenic.  If I’m installing it on a regular PC, let me use it as such.  Don’t force me to use my mouse as if it’s a surrogate set of fingers.

Updates and corrections

(I’ll be adding to this as I learn more)

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One thing that I learned (and I don’t like) is that when you start typing in the search filed, it categorizes them for you. I don’t like this. That’s why I couldn’t find add/remove programs is because apps was selected. I have to manually select settings and look in there. The fix for this would be to have an “all” category that is at the top.

I also really don’t like that I type my search on the right of the screen and the results show up on the left. In Windows 7, you just start typing and the item shows up almost immediately above it.

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August 16, 2012 4:32:10 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Going well, I see.

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August 16, 2012 4:34:07 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

typing "registry" has never worked on any version of Windows. (at least not for me)

try regedit.exe

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August 16, 2012 4:37:39 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Regedit doesn't work either.

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August 16, 2012 4:46:03 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

seriously?

i don't believe they changed the name of it.

can't you press WIN+R on the desktop and then execute regedit.exe?

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August 16, 2012 4:48:34 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

"Nothing comes up if you type reged but if you type out the entire word, regedit, it will show up.  This strikes me as a significant back step."


that's the same in Windows 7. 

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August 16, 2012 4:59:48 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

No way. I never typed out the whole word.

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August 16, 2012 5:09:30 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

it is. i just made a fresh install two weeks ago.

maybe after typing it a few times Windows remembers it and does no longer want to prevent you from using it.

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August 16, 2012 5:13:28 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Same thing here in Windows 7 Brad, I type reged you get nothing appropriate, type regedit and it shows up if you are using the start menu search field. It does show up though if I type reged in the explorer search box though.

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August 16, 2012 5:29:56 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

That's how it is for me as well, it only shows up if I type the whole "regedit".

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August 16, 2012 5:36:00 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

same with msconfig. Windows does not want you to use that stuff.

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August 16, 2012 5:37:38 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

this works: make a shortcut to regedit.exe in the start menu. 

then it will show up after you type "reg" (depending on how many programs you have istalled starting with reg...)

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August 16, 2012 5:52:04 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

"(you can’t just search for control panel applets in Windows 8)"

Yes you can: they are under settings.

"Regedit doesn't work either."

Yes it works: press WIN type regedit -> the if you use it often you can pin it to start screen and the typing reg it will appear (first time it may not be the first item but after you launch it for first time it will be)

I suggest you read up on the new keyboard shortcuts -> press WIN type "help" a Help and Support will appear there you type shortcuts and an article what's new in keyboard shortcuts will appear.

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August 16, 2012 6:01:16 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

control panel -> add/remove program  

isn't that the "proper" way since win9x?!

 

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how did win8 know what your live id pw is?!

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August 16, 2012 6:08:32 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

In Windows 7, I could hit the start menu and start typing add and it would show add/remove programs.

In Windows 8, you can't. You first must go to the control panel and then get to it.

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August 16, 2012 6:18:19 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Thank-you so much for that great review Draginol. I'm sure it has saved me a lot of time and money since I am now more convinced than ever that Win8 is not something that I want or need. I also will no longer waste any of my brain time debating the issue. Even though your review couldn't cover everything, it was right on target with some of the most important aspects regarding my own personal day to day interface. From what I'm reading, I certainly don't need any more drama added to my computing experience so I am certainly going to steer clear of this Win8 debacle.    -- Ace --

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August 16, 2012 6:23:22 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

"uninstalling things is actually quite a pain because now you have to first go to control panel and then the add/remove programs" you type uninstall and in settings it's the first one (no need to go to control panel)

PS If you put the desktop tyle the the first one then hiting enter goes straight to Desktop.

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August 16, 2012 6:24:55 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

That said, I can’t really say users gain anything upgrading to Windows 8 from Windows 7.

Besides the cost of the upgrade, it sounds like there is much more to lose than to gain by switching from 7 to 8.

I have enough fail in my life without purchasing more from MS.

Thanks for an honest, open evaluation.

 

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August 16, 2012 6:28:46 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I'm passing on win 8, and might just make sure to buy my next laptop so I don't get stuck with Windows 8

 

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August 16, 2012 11:44:45 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Take the weather app. Look closely at it. Does this compete well? Some of the images have masking problems (where the image was originally on a different colored background). Compare this app to what you see on iOS or Android even.

Should have let them use the Stardock weather icons

The Store…image

That...is a nifty trick! Perspective appearance without actual image warping - easy on the processing..

Nothing comes up if you type reged but if you type out the entire word, regedit, it will show up. This strikes me as a significant back step.

This happens on Windows 7 to me as well

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August 16, 2012 11:45:28 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

oh yeah, forgot why I came here - does DesktopX work on it?

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August 17, 2012 7:12:29 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

BTW......Major Geek has Win8 RTM build 9200 as a freebie to download. I dl'd it and it took 40 minutes, an ISO 3.3 gigs big. What I'm gonna do with it is another story. Maybe I'll burn it to disk then strap some bottle rockets to it and put it in orbit.

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August 17, 2012 7:24:15 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Uvah,
BTW......Major Geek has Win8 RTM build 9200 as a freebie to download. I dl'd it and it took 40 minutes, an ISO 3.3 gigs big. What I'm gonna do with it is another story. Maybe I'll burn it to disk then strap some bottle rockets to it and put it in orbit.

 

An RTM Build as a freebie Ross?  That would out them out of business.

I just checked and it is the Release Preview version of Windows 8, not the RTM just so you know.

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August 17, 2012 7:32:31 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

 I questioned it too but according to Major Geek it is. Here's the link...http://www.majorgeeks.com/

Just scroll down and check it out. Its marked as freeware.

Then it should say Release preview not RTM.

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August 17, 2012 10:12:30 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Uvah,
Then it should say Release preview not RTM.

If you look at the file name of the ISO being downloaded it is indeed the Release Preview, not RTM.

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August 17, 2012 12:53:23 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

MajorGeeks made a boo-boo!

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