Seanw3, you still don't get it, but thats okay. Its not your fault.
Quoting Captain Pat, reply 23
I'd like to see Stardock be a bit more thorough in beta testing and better at getting their releases a bit closer to being a legitimately finished product upon release.
I'm not going to try and change your stance on things, but at least read what people write before saying there is no more to discuss. I've been playing the FE beta quite a bit this weekend and it is leaps and bounds better than E:WoM was 2 years ago, but FE still has many of the same memory leak problems, uninformative/clumsy UI, and silly animation bugs that people have been reporting for 2 years... good thing its still in beta I guess.
Quoting seanw3, reply 21...They are trying hard to make the best game possible...They have lots more money and time to make sure it is great on release. Stardock is putting alot of resources into this game...
Its great that you're a fanboy, but just how can you speak for them like this? Where are you getting this information and how do you expect someone that has been continually disappointed by this company to believe this? Because you have +86 karma?
Not everyone has the same faith in this company as you do. Please, Seanw3 show me the way.
You are starting to insult me. Please stop implying that I am not reading what you are saying or do not understand it. I have read the thread several times over. There is a difference between me not understanding and us not communicating well. I doubt you are trying to be insulting, but you are being intentionally condescending. I understand where you are coming from. It is a place of doubt. I agree that the burden of proof is on Stardock. That is fair, considering the situation. I said there is no more to discuss because you didn't seem to want to discuss anything. You glossed over everything I said, passing it off as comments made without reading the thread. How can we discuss anything if you are going to make assumptions like that?
You do make a good point about me making claims without proof. Fanboy might be a good description of me. I am here for one simple reason, AI. GalCiv2:TA has the best AI I have ever played against in a TBS. It is simply amazing. So, I support the company that produced it. It would take a long series of games with bad AI to change my mind. FE is already doing great in this respect. As to my claims, I am not a spokesperson for Stardock. I am just a beta tester. But you can bet that I check the site everyday and read all relevant posts. It might be second hand knowledge, but I am rather an expert on this particular forum and this particular game. I could copy down most of the xml from memory. The biggest weakness of the forum is a crude search engine. I can probably find sources for the claims I made in my earlier reply, but it would be quite the hassle. So you can trust me or look it up yourself.
Could you at least concede that what I say is what Stardock has said? I am a reasonable expert on this subject. I don't think there is anyone questioning me besides you. Most of this is common knowledge. It is common knowledge on the forums that Derek Paxton has no obligation to release the game before a certain date. It has been said in many dev posts that the game will be finished when it is finished. The developer's goal is to get a metacritic score of 90 or better. We are moving into beta 4 soon. There will almost certainly be a beta 5 and maybe even a beta 6. I have been keeping a watchful eye on this project since WoM started development. After the apology for WoM came out, there was a mission statement about winning back their slighted customers by giving them Fallen Enchantress and the yet to be named expansion for free. Since then Derek Paxton has taken over. A new team was assembled and debuted when the Alpha started. The whole point of FE is to prove to gamers like you that Stardock has realized its mistake and will from now on focus on quality over all else. That is why there is no release date and no physical distribution. In Stardock's quarterly and annual reports, which are made public, you can confirm that Stardock is putting a ton of resources into this game. And as you do not seem to realize, Ironclad Games made Sins of Solar Empire, not Stardock. Only the last end of production for Rebellion was done by Stardock. Not entirely relevant, but it is important in saying that this game is the primary focus of Stardock now. Also, keep in mind that Stardock Games are really on an indie developer level. Do not expect AAA level completion schedules. After WoM, Stardock increased the manpower and funding for their games division to unprecedented levels. There is alot riding on the success of FE.
As to the problems that exist with the current beta 3:
-Memory leaks are no longer being reported. I you get a memory leak, be sure to report it.
-The new UI that has been in development is coming out in beta 4 most likely. The stuff we have right now is largely placeholder.
-The animation bugs are a continual problem. As often as they are fixed, new content adds new animation bugs. This is a fact of betas.
-There are some things that have been problems since the WoM beta. IMO they exist in areas that have not been completed for the new game. So much has been overhauled or fixed in the beta cycle, I have no reason to think they would release the game with known bugs. Most bugs I post about are fixed within hours of being posted.
-The only serious crash error left is a repeating crash that I suspect is rooted in the roads data. I am hoping they fix it for beta 4. This one does bother me as it prevents the tester from reloading to avoid the crash. Playing on small maps seems to curtail the issue.
You may also be interested to know that there are many features which are planned to be added after FE releases, but before the expansion. That includes a full feature multiplayer, boats, and new content and art assets. But much of this depends on how the game is received by players. If we all agree that the game is terrible, there is not much point in adding new features.
[Edit] Apparently he decided for a refund before I could finish posting. Can't say I want many more people like that on the forum. Bon chance.