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Where do you think the first Sentient AI will come from?

By Tasunke on March 30, 2012 1:05:58 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Tasunke

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Will the first sentient AI be a highly sophisticated spam bot, meant primarily for advertising? Or will it be something deliberate, cooked up in a lab somewhere.

If deliberate, Will it be for Theoretical purposes? Or politico-corporate purposes?

If accidental, will it be from Amatuer or Professional origin?

 

Will it come from an attempt to copy sentience into the machine world, or will it rise from the machine itself? (ghosts in the machine et al)

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Fast forwards a bit ... do you think it would be possible to upload your consciousness onto a machine interface? Would it be a (soul-less?) copy, or would it require you to leave your body?

If people can upload themselves ... how much longer would they live? Just for another 10 years or so until the global machine interface becomes upgraded? How susceptible would they be to malware and EMPs? Would digital life be safer or MORE DANGEROUS than mortal life? Would it be potentially infinite?

If digital life is merely a copy ... how would it feel to interact with yourself? Would it be a similar drama to the unrealistic 'exacto clone' drama we sometimes see in cinematic fiction?

 

If one made a clone of themselves ... would they be able to leave their inheritance to one of their digital clones? Would digital entities be allowed to own property? How would that make sense? Would they own software and not hardware, or could they inhabit an entire "AI friendly estate" and have their own mortal servants?

Would they have similar 'reptile-brain' functionality as humans, or be solely made of cortex type networks? If only cortex, with no reptile brain and no hormones, would they have emotions? Is it possible for an AI to have digital hormones? I suppose THESE questions are more in considering the feasibility of the first though. (being able to upload ones' self)

Would a digital person be able to run for political offices?

Would there be a sufficient level of holographic technology that press conferences would be mostly the same? (with security being mainly on the level of malware/ EMPS rather than snipers)

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neone6
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March 30, 2012 1:19:02 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Skynet´s just around the corner

( I am only a downloadbot if you didn´t know it already )

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seanw3
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March 30, 2012 1:31:00 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Probably from the AI server Brad is building.

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rowanlad
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March 30, 2012 2:28:11 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

No doubt from either the military of whatever nation has superpower status at the time or the porn industry.

If we have learned anything about ourselves since the rise of civilization, its that we like killing each other and having /watching others have sex (potentially involving robots) more than most things. 

I shudder to imagine what the latter might produce, but it would put the real terminators of the future in a much more amusing, if not disturbing, light.  

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rowanlad
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March 30, 2012 2:30:16 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Indeed, a 'Red' light?

Ba-Zing!

Sorry, just noticed the joke within my own message. 

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Tasunke
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March 30, 2012 2:39:26 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Hmm.

Yes, I suppose I was thinking of the possibilities between Science, Video Games, and Advertisement/Marketing ....

but perhaps indeed your ideas are more likely to occur

(either military or sex industry)

 

Although I still think the Advertisement industry would give them a run for their money

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Tasunke
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March 30, 2012 2:43:40 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Although I think the possibility of it being done deliberately, and whether that being better or worse than it being done accidentally, should be considered.

 

And I do not think that we should just assume 'the hype' that Skynet et al would be interested in 'killing all humans.'

 

For instance, in the Animatrix, it was revealed that it was a human decision to 'declare war on the machines' as they had become economically advanced.

But really, I don't think we should even assume that any wars of extermination need be fought on either side.

 

I think assuming sentient AI = 'Skynet' is an oversimplification, and we should consider more peaceful possibilities. I think the various peaceful ramifications are just as interesting as our alleged impending doom.

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Seleuceia
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March 30, 2012 3:49:36 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

The first AI will likely be the product of a high-minded scientific project with no goal other than to make the first true AI...what the technology is used for after that is any one's guess, as politics would greatly affect the proliferation or ban of future AIs...

I doubt that the first use for AIs would be the military...advanced programming certainly would be beneficial, but an AI?  I just don't see the necessity of having your defense programs ran by sentient software...this is of course assuming that successively more advanced programs don't inevitably lead to an AI (a critical mass, so to speak)...

 

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seanw3
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March 30, 2012 4:51:00 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Maybe they can use an AI to run the American Congress. Even if 90% of the masses disapprove, it will still have a higher approval rating than humans.

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Thoumsin
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March 30, 2012 5:01:06 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting rowanlad,
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No doubt from either the military of whatever nation has superpower status at the time or the porn industry.

If we have learned anything about ourselves since the rise of civilization, its that we like killing each other and having /watching others have sex (potentially involving robots) more than most things.

Well, if a machine have a real AI, it mean that the machine can make choice... not really a researched feature for military or porn... military don't need a AI able to say "no" to a order... and people don't need a AI sex robot who reply "no today darling, i have a headache" ( sweet lie who hide the fact that the robot don't wish have sex with you ) or "our neighbour know how to handle me correctly, i move to his home now... looser !!!" ( honest robot )...

Already see sentient AI beginning a protest for have legal right... starting a war for win their freedom... if we use ourself for model a sentient AI, it will happen soon of later...

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Jafo
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March 30, 2012 7:53:09 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Will the first sentient AI be a highly sophisticated spam bot, meant primarily for advertising? Or will it be something deliberate, cooked up in a lab somewhere.

Who cares...it'll be banished, exiled and IP-banned before anyone notices.....that's our job....

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Lord Xia
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March 30, 2012 8:26:16 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Johnny 5 is alive!!!

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RiddleKing
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March 30, 2012 2:14:34 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

oh please-its already being developed:

 

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IBM Creates Human Brain-Like Processor

http://www.itgrunts.com/2011/08/18/ibm-creates-human-brain-like-processor/

Looks like computers will soon learn and think like humans. Venture Beat reported today that IBM who recently got its super computer Watson to successfully play in the TV game show Jeopardy, has announced it is working on a design for a new computer chip that will emulate how the human brain handles information.

The project to create what IBM is calling cognitive computing chips is being worked on with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency as well as a number of universities. IBM’s new approach was to create a chip that has analogs to the human brain’s neurons, synapses and axons. Some of the advantages of this kind of approach are that computers made with these chips can be made to work on much low power compared to the normal PC chips.

The story says that the projects have created two prototypes of the kinds of chips they have designed. Their next step is to create an actual computer running on these new kinds of processors. IBM’s ultimate goal is to create a computer with the design that has 10 billion neurons and 100 trillion synapses, which is even more powerful than the human brain. Yet that same computer would use just one kilowatt of power and be put in a space about the size of the human brain.

Watch out T1000 will be here sooner than you think!

 

There's no more scifi-everything is already being built.

From ion drives to go to pluto, warp drives(STDTS) to go to alpha centura and Shield Defense systems.

There's only Syfy

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seanw3
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March 30, 2012 2:27:09 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

What is the name of that other planetoid that is further out than Pluto?

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Seleuceia
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March 30, 2012 3:43:33 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Detroit

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LupusVir
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March 30, 2012 5:25:43 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

If I might refer you to a couple of books.  In The Longest Chase, a short story by an author I unfortunately  forgot, They could transfer their  consciousness to small robots that could fly in space, and mine asteroids.  However, It was a copy, and the original went back home.  They thought of themselves as individuals.  In The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, by Robert A. Heinlein, there is an AI that only a handful of people knew about.  His Name was Mike.  He was an accidental creation, made by adding more and more capacity and such onto a central computer that handaled stuff for the Luner Colonies.  He makes up jokes.  You guys should look them up.

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March 30, 2012 6:11:28 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

There is a chess playing machine called the Turk and Sarah and John Conner will fail to destroy it.  It will form the basis of the first sentience utilizing a neural electronic network.  At some point in the future, it will manifest under the name Skynet and destroy most of humanity.

Read some reviews of Kurzwell's books or even read some of the books.  I believe he also has a documentary out on Netflix and several blog type videos on Youtube.

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Heavenfall
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March 30, 2012 6:58:12 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I'm putting my vote for US military, they're putting about 250 million usd anually on developing autonomous systems.

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March 31, 2012 3:17:41 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

we should all join NASA because us sinners are biggest rocket propelled weapon spammers in gaming history--

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April 1, 2012 11:23:07 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I always thought it'd be from that ancient jar of mayonnaise far in the back of my refrigerator.

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April 2, 2012 6:54:10 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

EEwwwww!!

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