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How to disable pioneer production for all players?

March 25, 2012 4:40:33 AM from Elemental ForumsElemental Forums

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Reply #1 March 25, 2012 4:52:49 AM
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Why in the gods' names would you want to do that?

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Reply #2 March 25, 2012 11:56:06 AM
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Quoting seanw3,
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Why in the gods' names would you want to do that?

Funny that was my thoughts, though I would probably try to put it a bit nicer .

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Reply #3 March 25, 2012 12:33:37 PM
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Why in the gods' names would you want to do that?

Force a One-City Challenge game?  Just a guess.

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Reply #4 March 25, 2012 2:26:39 PM
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I would like to do this to make the map seem more open, rather than having the world seeming like one big metroplex by mid game.  One would still have outposts

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Reply #5 March 25, 2012 3:05:02 PM
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No Pioneers means no Outposts...

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Reply #6 March 26, 2012 2:06:39 AM
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It could be a fun game.  Certainly would make a change from mind numbing city spam.

The only means of expansion would be taking CPU factions capitals, and then waiting for them to build another city rather than taking out their sovereign. 

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Reply #7 March 26, 2012 2:21:39 AM
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To disable core units, you need to replace all the pioneer unittypes with a new one.

This is the list of the pioneers:

Unit_Pioneer_Altarian
Unit_Pioneer_Amarian
Unit_Pioneer_Ironeer
Unit_Pioneer_Krax
Unit_Pioneer_Mancer
Unit_Pioneer_Quendar
Unit_Pioneer_Tarth
Unit_Pioneer_Trog
Unit_Pioneer_Urxen
Unit_Pioneer_Wraith

Disable them by introducing a new Prerequisite that cannot be fulfilled within your game, and put it in all those copied unittypes. For example,

            <Prereq>
            <Type>Tech</Type>
            <Attribute>Thisdoesnotexistnorwillitever</Attribute>
    </Prereq>

ex, your altarian pioneer unittype would look like this

    <UnitType InternalName="Unit_Pioneer_Altarian">
        <DisplayName>Pioneer</DisplayName>
        <Description>Pioneers are equipped with the necessary materials to start new settlements.</Description>
        <Class>Pioneer</Class>
        <RaceType>Race_Type_Altarians</RaceType>
        <CanBeDesigned>1</CanBeDesigned>
        <Gender>Female</Gender>
        <AdditionalTrainingTurns>30</AdditionalTrainingTurns>
        <IsSovereign>0</IsSovereign>
        <IsStartingUnitType>1</IsStartingUnitType>
            <GameModifier>
                <ModType>Unit</ModType>
                <Attribute>UnlockAction</Attribute>
                <StrVal>BuildTown</StrVal>
            </GameModifier>
            <GameModifier>
                <ModType>Unit</ModType>
                <Attribute>UnlockAction</Attribute>
                <StrVal>BuildImprovement</StrVal>
                <StrVal2>Outpost</StrVal2>
            </GameModifier>
        <LevelMilestone InternalName="L1">
            <Level>1</Level>
            <UnitStat_CombatSpeed>20</UnitStat_CombatSpeed>
            <UnitStat_Constitution>10</UnitStat_Constitution>
            <UnitStat_Dexterity>9</UnitStat_Dexterity>
            <UnitStat_Intelligence>9</UnitStat_Intelligence>
            <UnitStat_Strength>8</UnitStat_Strength>
        </LevelMilestone>
        <SelectedAbilityBonusOption>Weak</SelectedAbilityBonusOption>
        <Equipment>K_Female_Head_02</Equipment>
        <Equipment>Sovereign_Bandit_Hair_ID1</Equipment>
        <Equipment>Quilted_Corset_ID1</Equipment>
        <Equipment>Empire_Overskirt_ID2_Flipped</Equipment>
        <Equipment>TightBoots_Dark</Equipment>
        <Equipment>SionVambraces</Equipment>
        <Prereq>
            <Type>Race</Type>
            <Attribute>Race_Type_Altarians</Attribute>
    </Prereq>

            <Prereq>
            <Type>Tech</Type>
            <Attribute>Thisdoesnotexistnorwillitever</Attribute>
    </Prereq>

        <AnimationPack>FemaleSovereignAnimationPack</AnimationPack>
        <BattleAnimationBehavior>Melee</BattleAnimationBehavior>
        <BobbingFrequency>0</BobbingFrequency>
        <ClothPoseIndex>6</ClothPoseIndex>
        <Color_Hair>163,118,83,255</Color_Hair>
        <Color_Metal>145,145,145,255</Color_Metal>
        <Color_Skin>210,145,95,255</Color_Skin>
        <CutSceneDataPack>DefaultUnitCutscenePack</CutSceneDataPack>
        <EyeTexture>gfx\eyes\blinks\eyeblink_f2_ltblue.png</EyeTexture>
        <InfoCardBackground>BG1_Sunset</InfoCardBackground>
        <InfoCardBackgroundFlipped>0</InfoCardBackgroundFlipped>
        <ModelPath>Gfx\HKB\Units\K_Female_Mesh_01.hkb</ModelPath>
        <ModelScale>1</ModelScale>
        <MovementType>land</MovementType>
        <MovingSFX>TEMP_KnightMarching1</MovingSFX>
        <OnHitParticleName>Bloody_OnHit</OnHitParticleName>
        <SkeletonPath>Gfx\HKB\Units\K_Male_Skeleton_01.hkb</SkeletonPath>
        <SoundPack>SoundPack_Generic_Female</SoundPack>
        <TacticalModelScale>1.5</TacticalModelScale>
        <Texture_Eyes>gfx\eyes\blinks\eyeblink_f2_ltblue.png</Texture_Eyes>
        <Texture_Skin>K_Female_Freckles_Texture_01.png</Texture_Skin>
        <UnitModelType>KingdomFemale</UnitModelType>
    </UnitType>

After this, there is still one pioneer that you can gain from a quest. But we are not getting quests currently so I won't go into that.

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Reply #8 March 26, 2012 5:25:29 AM
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If you wanted to limit to one city but still allow outposts, you could change the required distance between cities to some really long distance.  But you would have to make sure it wasn't so long that the other sovereigns can't settle their starting cities.

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Reply #9 March 26, 2012 1:25:44 PM
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Or you might be able to disable the Settle ability for pioneers, but I think they are unmodable in the game's current state.

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Reply #10 March 26, 2012 1:53:27 PM
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I use to play FFH with Settlers turned off and no city razing, but started with 3 cities each.  Creates more meaningful cities that way, to me at least.  Where as right now cities get destroyed all the time and rebuilt and seem to kind of lose their importance.  Probably wouldn't work as well in this game, but it was a fun option.

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Reply #11 March 26, 2012 3:00:58 PM
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Quoting Aerion Istari,
reply 8
If you wanted to limit to one city but still allow outposts, you could change the required distance between cities to some really long distance.  But you would have to make sure it wasn't so long that the other sovereigns can't settle their starting cities.

 

AFAIK, the distance is hard coded, as it was in WoM

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Reply #12 March 26, 2012 4:36:43 PM
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I think it can be changed in ElementalDefs.xml, but I have no reason to check. I like what we have there.

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Reply #13 March 26, 2012 7:51:00 PM
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The below tag From ElementalDefs.xml controls the distance between cities.  I have tested it and it does work.

 

        <MinDistancesBetweenCities>8</MinDistancesBetweenCities>

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Reply #14 March 26, 2012 7:52:47 PM
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my mind has been blown

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Reply #15 March 26, 2012 9:46:22 PM
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Yea, increase the minimum distance between cities to a big number and voila.

We'll all need to collude this summer on HOW we want the mod UI to work so that mods like this can be displayed in a way that's accessible to players.

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Reply #16 September 20, 2012 10:51:15 PM
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BUMP! I am going to have to gow through tthis whole mod forum to get the info I want, lol, can we make a sticky to reference threads like this, or a modders info on the stardock websit ? Looking forward to the mod testing stage of beta.

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Reply #17 September 20, 2012 10:54:34 PM
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Quoting seanw3,
reply 6
No Pioneers means no Outposts...

 

Not quite.  It means Pariden, casting endless Arcane Monoliths, becomes the United Lands of Pariden.

 

 

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Reply #18 September 20, 2012 10:59:22 PM
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well, you would have to disable that spell as well most likely, or give people a limited number of chances to cast it - could the ai handle being able to cast it only 3 times ? hmm.

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Reply #19 September 20, 2012 11:37:10 PM
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Quoting Glowing_Ember,
reply 19

well, you would have to disable that spell as well most likely, or give people a limited number of chances to cast it - could the ai handle being able to cast it only 3 times ? hmm.

 

If pioneers are completely removed, it would be best to completely remove the spell.  Otherwise, the field is skewed in favor of one race, or any other created race tht gets the same trait.

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Reply #20 September 21, 2012 1:40:03 AM
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err, yes, disable = remove, err sorry i thought that was clear.

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