These seem like very valid worries to me.  Please help out by sending in bug and crash reports.  I want this game to work as well as possible by the time I get it

@LordXia

Yeah I made a separate thread a couple days ago with the issues and screenshots...I also sent in my .err file as well. 

In principle I'd agree...the problem is we have some history here that kind of changes that notion of beta.  It's all the same stuff (at least perception wise)...so in my mind nothing has changed on this front and if that stuff wasn't at least partially sorted in the 1 1/2 years of extra development, what chance is there that it will be during this beta?

This was the same for the original Elemental, some were having no issues, others major issues.  Every game is like this realistically, but there is something to be said about how many people are effected.  I think Brad once estimated it was like 20% of user effected, which is obviously out of the norm for acceptable and far too high.

Who knows how many people are effected with these issues for FE Beta, maybe it's better, all I know is I'm affected and that's really all that matters for me.

I am judging it, because this game is using the same engine as Elemental, and it still has the same ui issues, the same performance problems.

I don't care about crashes or game balance issues - those are genuine beta traits. Bad performance _might_ bet a beta trait, but they've already had a year and a half+ to tune the engine.

It's run poorly for me across three different computers, ati and nvidia. Performance complaints were all over the place around Elemental's launch as well.

It's a very valid concern, the beta excuse is thin at the best of times, in this case it barely applies.

It's the same engine (correct me if I am wrong) and with what appears to be the same exact problems from before.  Mind you, these problems *still* exist in WoM for a lot of people and even with over a year of new development also continue persist in FE.

Personally I think it's something inherent with the engine, rather than just some beta niggles yet to be worked out.  I think for those people who still have these issues with FE, things are not looking bright.

Anyways the purpose is not really to "judge" the game, but instead bring notice to what appears to be an old issue, and the importance to fixing these issues and fixing them fast. 

They need to see the frustration of the people effected IMO, considering what happened in the past.

Interesting.  Unlike those games, this game is heavily multithreaded.  Perhaps that's where your problem stems from.

Anyways, very different from my experience.  I find the game very stable and, outside of the occasionally bugged special ability, quite responsive.

Sure it's a valid concern.  But as Heavenfall points out, the beta is out and there's still plenty of time to address these concerns.  I don't think Stardock are planning on releasing a sucky game.

I have no less than 30 games on my computer, this (and the original) are by far the worst offenders.  I have a quad core processor with 4GB ram and a 570GTX with 1.25gb video memory...there is no reason why this game should run poorly other than bugs/optimizations needed/ect.

I'm sure they didn't plan on releasing the original Elemental in the condition it was in...but there it was.  I wouldn't be worried if it weren't for the fact these are the same exact issues I was having with the original game, and it seems I'm not the only one either.  I hope it's just coincidence and I hope it get's sorted...I really REALLY hope so.

I'd say Renevent's concerns are all pretty valid. I my-self am a little worried that some of the memory leaks in E:WoM might make their way into FE. Even on my massively powerful gaming rig on Large and Huge maps in E:WoM starting in turns around 700 to 900 I would start getting OOM crashes and even when loading certain saved games I would only get 10 or 20 turns in before the game would crash again with the same memory issue. This made playing large, epic scale games, very frustrating for me which was doubly bad because those are the types of games I want to set up and play.

So far I haven't had any of these issues in the FE beta yet, but, I also notice even the "Large" map setting seems pretty small to me. I haven't tried setting a custom map size with the XML's yet to see what happens, but when I start sitting down to mod it will be one of the first things I try probably even before I start skinning or setting up a real custom faction.

I've heard WoM and FE both have issues running on the newer graphics cards.

Renevant, have you tried adjusting some of the Video options in the Option Menu? I assume you're running the latest graphic drivers.

I'm sure this is quite frustrating! When Elemental's game engine was created, it was designed to run on old machines, but the ironic part is that caused issues on the new stuff (go figure).

Personally, I'd love to Stardock support add some official posts on how to troubleshoot performance issues.

FYI- some of the crashyness is being addressed in the next patch: https://forums.elementalgame.com/415307 . Can't wait until that comes out!

Well I'll be reporting all the crashes when they let me get into the beta!

My game doesn't run too great. I too have had memory related crashes when saving, and a few isolated crashes in tactical battles, but that's it. Game runs better that WOM did, but I hope it get's better. If there is more than one city on screen or more than a few units the frame rate drops well bellow 30 which is far less than ideal.

I remember reading that the development team can only test so many hardware compositions and that it was a key function of the beta to do just that, so I'm not sure why people are surprised at this fact...Being all doom and gloom isn't going to help anyone. Assuming that the game engine is that inherently flawed would mean this is all a complete waste of time.

Venting is important, but I think this thread sends the wrong message. The beta has just started.