pacov's League of Legends general discussion thread - strategies, etc

By on November 29, 2011 1:07:18 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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Well, I started a thread  back in August (http://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

  • Added 12/5/2011:  For anyone that is level 30 with an account in good standing, you can participate in the tribunal.  This is a system that was setup by riot to allow the community to police their own.  In short, you get to review cases where players have been reported and recommend that a player is forgiven or punished for their behavior.  Check it out here:  http://na.leagueoflegends.com/Tribunal
  • You can view players stats here:  http://www.lolking.net. - this is a useful way to get info on your previous matches and to look up players if you like (updated 11/25/2012)
  • Sites that are ok for player build guides, etc: www.solomid.net and www.mobafire.com
  • Added 12/5/2011:  You can get a free unchained alistar skin - this also gives you the character for free as well.  See here:  http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/45610/t1685348-free-unchained-alistar-skin/
  • Added 06/7/2012:  You can get the riot girl Tristana skin for free by following Riot's youtube channel.  This also unlocks the character for you.

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.  Seriously.  Play the tutorial.
  • Riot gives you some RP after you play your first game or so.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character.  You'll typically notice this a little after you play your first game.
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  You will need to learn when you should push a lane and when you should just last hit (this means DO NOT attack the creep wave, just let the creeps fight each other and then snag a last hit whenever possible) - the number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Added 12/5/2011:  So, you know you can't get level 3 runes until you hit level 20?  Hedgie came up with a way to get level 3 runes at any point.  The bad news, its random.  Here's what you do.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  Anyway, its not the best system as its completely random, but it does work and does give you a chance to get tier 3 runes at any time.  Another thing to consider, you can always keep the random tier 2 rune if it happens you ended up with a good deal or got something you need.  Going that route, you spend 375 IP and would have 5 random tier 2 runes.  That's fairly cost effective for 375 IP.
  • Added 12/5/2011:  Consider saving IP for when you hit level 30.  Having tier 3 runes is a reasonable advantage.  If you don't save now, I guarantee you are going to be a little sorry when you hit level 30 and spend all your time slowly unlocking runes.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

Great site for various stats that you can't find other places - http://quickfind.kassad.in/

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

Mods I use (updated 4/18/2013)

Well, here's where I'll list the goofy stuff I'm using for mods, etc.  I'm hosting these on my box.net site.

Audio mods

  • Unreal Tournament Announcer Mod - this is the base set of files you need to load custom audio.  I use this so I can use the flamboyant announcer mod.  Basically, this enables you to hear custom audio when you get a kill, etc.
  • Flamboyant Announcer Mod - this mod is basically a flamboyant fellow lisping and saying things like double kill.  It's originally a mod from heroes of nerwerth and its something I currently have loaded.  You NEED the unreal tournament announcer mod for this to work.

Visual mods

LoL text changer mod - This mod simply modifies it so that the various chat dialog messages that pop up in game are easier to read or suppressed.  For instance, its very useful to be able to find the dragon timer by checking through chat.  You can make it that particular message is easy to find.  You can also suppress various messages.  This is a little more complicated to use than I'd like, so good luck if you want to try it out.

Stat overlay - This program provides an overlay and looks up everyone you are playing w/ against in game after the load screen.  In short, it simplifies using lolking during the load screen.  You just press caps lock after the game starts and the stat information will populate. Program is easy to use, but I'm sure some will have an issue with being able to check folks stats out this way.  If you have a problem with it, just don't use the program ofc.


Vlogs - here's where I jibba jabba about what's going on with me/feedback from games.  As I create more entries, I'll update this playlist.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1ZJvTIZpd4&list=PL1dGpOq1NyJkKISmXY32V9Buncb6bNFJn

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May 4, 2012 9:27:52 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

oh and I'm down with rawr being our shot caller fellow. 

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May 4, 2012 9:42:20 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I take winning very seriously if that's what you are meaning by hardcore.

Any of those days should work for me, although 7pm may be a little too early. Even 7:30pm would be better. Not a big deal though.

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May 4, 2012 10:07:22 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

7:30pm on either tuesday or thursday works for me.  Mayhaps we'll play on both days.  Anyway, Karl - 7:30pm EST on tues or thurs work for you?

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May 4, 2012 10:10:45 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

By hardcore, I mean folks that are dedicated to playing (likely play multiple games daily) that would be more than likely want to play as a team much more frequently than just once a week.  If we run as a 5 man team with no alternates, we need folks that can be reliable to be available at set times, etc.  So, hardcore/committed is most desirable to make things work.  I think it will be pretty obvious if folks are committed or not based on how many times we actually play as a team, etc. 

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May 4, 2012 3:03:46 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

every fucking time i get matched against hotshot.... i get raped by my team doing amazingly awful plays.  It's sad

 

Buuut I just got my first groupie!  He watched me play on the featured games and added me to watch me later.

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May 4, 2012 9:32:35 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I don't get home until around 8:15 eastern most days, so 7:30 is too early for me.

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May 4, 2012 9:36:21 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

rawr - you are rally coll. 

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May 4, 2012 10:07:50 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

HE'S ESL AND FROM ARGENTINA LEAVE FELHEK ALONE

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May 4, 2012 10:16:24 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

heh.  congrats on being in a featured game bro and your groupie!

ok - are we all down for this tuesday at 8:15 PM EST? 

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May 5, 2012 1:23:44 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Saw the make a wish jaximus skin sale earlier so I picked it up and played Jax all day and wow is he amazing. Still the hard carry he used to be and still an amazing top.

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May 5, 2012 9:51:04 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting OMG_Shiro,
Saw the make a wish jaximus skin sale earlier so I picked it up and played Jax all day and wow is he amazing. Still the hard carry he used to be and still an amazing top.

Yeah, I'll probably pick up the skin today as well.  Good cause.  And I played a ton of jax as well.  Love his dodge ability.  It was exceptionally easy to counter a trynd with it. 

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May 5, 2012 4:23:37 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

delightful

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May 5, 2012 4:31:25 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

TSM vs 4not right now:  game abt to start:  http://www.twitch.tv/national_esl1

solo top kayle:

 

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May 5, 2012 5:20:35 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Never like the Kayle pick.  She never does as much as it seems she should in teamfights.

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May 5, 2012 5:33:59 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I agree.  Frankly, the only way to use her in good team fights (and it sucks) is to ult yourself and then attack like a mofo.  The second you use it on anyone else, you get focused and are done.  Personally, I think she needs a bit of a rework and not just some buffs. 

If you watched the game, you saw that she was solid in the laning phase (just dominated jax (granted, not a great match up)).  but she's just not all valuable in team fights.  So, you get early game domination if you play her fine solo top.  And you are great at picking off people is they do something stupid, but late game... craptastic. 

It's like a support that can be a so-so solo top and bring little to the table.  I think they just need to make her into something that could only be a support instead of a smeh support and so so solo.  Her ranged sword attack is pretty well wasted as support imo.  Anyway, maybe someday that will change. 

It is fun to play her solo top though. 

Also - i totally hate the ass hats that continually spam friend requests to the casters just to see their fing name pop up.  Sigh.

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May 5, 2012 6:29:59 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Game 2 was... pretty awful.  TSM steam rolled.

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May 5, 2012 7:43:18 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

It seems to me that Jax should be able to beat kayle in lane, but either way he scales so much better.

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May 5, 2012 7:58:33 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting OMG_Shiro,
It seems to me that Jax should be able to beat kayle in lane, but either way he scales so much better.

agreed about the scaling, anyway.  nah - I think it would be pretty easy to lane against jax and win as kayle.  he can close the distance and dodge for like 2 sec, but she can just do up some damage anytime he pokes.  She'd trade much more favorably imo. 

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May 5, 2012 9:46:12 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

You should really watch the number 1 play.  Wow:

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May 6, 2012 12:40:00 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

pretty sure karl and I just trolled the crap out of cow.  Unintentionally, mind you, but oh my... so trolled.  Methinks I will have to sweet talk cow to get him to play with us again.

my favorite line out of karl "well, I believe they have a ward there" - spoken as he is ganked by 5 in the bushes. 

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May 6, 2012 1:29:07 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

It turns out that I have problems playing champs I'm not very good with when I'm a little bit buzzed.  Plus, the other team was being mean that last game.

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May 7, 2012 8:50:56 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

OK fellas - so 8:15PM EST on Tuesday (tomorrow 5/8/2012).  Pretty sure everyone is down for this, but reply here asap if anyone has issues meeting then?  I figure we'll try to get about 2 games in if everyone is available and then we can discuss if we'll do a repeat on Thursday.  Do your best to show up on time or a smidge early as we need the full team before we get started. 

We can either immediately create a team and play ranked or do some draft mode normals to get a feel for how we all play together.

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May 7, 2012 10:12:46 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

I must be a far worse player than I thought I was...

I'm on a ranked losing spree and I'm at 1109 ELO...

I get fed in-lane and I come out of every game with a positive KD ratio

but we still lose

I used to think that it was my team's fault

but it might be MY fault

ooooooooooh

I would like some serious help, as my ranked losing spree is rather hurtful.

 

I've nearly fixed my bad positioning problem..

but I was in a ranked game as a 8/4/12 Ahri

and it was awfully annoying to be flamed by a 7/17/6 Sion who is complaining that I am not committing to fights when they do...

I'm getting kills and focusing people in teamfights, but I'm not initiating; am I supposed to do that?

is there anyone on this thread who can play Ahri well?

I can lane easily with her, but late game I just fail 100% of the time...

do you dash into fights?

or hang back?

I've done both and still had no luck...

 

I've also had good and bad luck as support Taric...

I've helped a Miss Fortune get super fed (she got a penta in our ranked game) and I've helped a Caitlyn die a lot...

are there any support champs who are far better at low ELO games?

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May 7, 2012 10:19:07 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

basically

TL:DR

I'm unsure if my ranked losing spree is my fault or not

I would like a ranked "coach"

not necessarily a duo queue partner

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May 7, 2012 10:21:51 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting KrdaxDrkrun,
I'm getting kills and focusing people in teamfights, but I'm not initiating; am I supposed to do that?

well, depending on the team comp, taking a shot at your charm to initiate isn't a terrible idea.  With your ult up, you should be able to pick off most players if they do anything even remotely stupid when they group up (hop in, charm, hop away as needed while your team pounces).  Other than that, no great ideas.  I play an ok ahri, but nothing I'd take a shot at in a ranked. 

re: support - I'm getting more into playing the bruiser type supports and am already pretty solid with taric/janna.  I don't think any one particular support is the best.  It's really matchups.  That said, janna is pretty solid in most match ups.  Leona is nice as a hard counter to the non bruiser supports (very good vs janna/soraka at least).  As long as your ranged ad carry is on top of things, leona can just tear things up to secure kills or just zone the crap out of the enemy.  Leona falls off a bit vs other tanky supports, though. 

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