I’m a hater

By on November 15, 2011 7:02:04 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Frogboy

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You know the #1 suckiest thing about writing AI for me?

It’s that not only do I have to play in cloth map only mode (I run with massive debugging) but I have to run in ugly cloth map mode.

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I’m not going to say I hate every single person on this planet. I’m sure there are people living in deserts and jungles who are just fine. I still hate them, mind you. It’s out of principle. So yea, I guess I do hate everything.

Until I am freed from having to play the game like this, I’m going to be one grumpy bastard. You gotta feel kind of bad for Stardock. A real company wouldn’t let one of its devs even post this kind of inanity. But of course, I’m the boss so I can post how annoying it is to play the game at 3fps in cloth map mode. 

There’s nothing that can be done. I did GalCiv that way too. People cried. Their tears were delicious and nourishing.  But it’s not enough. Not nearly enough.

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November 15, 2011 7:08:07 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Hey Frogboy, if you're looking for sympathy you won't find it on this forum.

We want our Beta with AAA+ AI and we want it now!

And why aren't the Ponies Pink? (Got your back Lord Xia!)

 

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November 15, 2011 7:39:37 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I read the title as "I'm a Healer."

Needless to say I thought this post was about Healing Specialization for heroes. 

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November 15, 2011 7:50:56 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

"Haters gonna hate" meme is: ... applicable!

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November 15, 2011 8:40:12 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

You kids and your fancy color graphics and 3 FPS.  In my day, we had to trick the screen into giving us green and red by only lighting up every other pixel.  Which we did with "peek" and "poke" statements.  The screen updated once a minute.  And we were happy, goddamit!

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November 15, 2011 8:48:36 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

What's wrong with the cloth map? I play that way pretty much exclusively by choice. It's a simpler look and represents things more clearly.

 

3 FPS is a hassle, though. Don't you guys get to buy fancy machines with company money that should help offset the system resource costs of bugtesting?

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November 15, 2011 8:48:41 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

The worst part of this is that when it's all done, bloody humans are going to mess it all up.

Can't you guys just be satisfied watching the AI fight each other? Why do people insist on interacting with it and doing crazy weird stuff?

edit: btw, while doing the AI I'm constantly pointing out cheese to Derek because the AI does it first.  For instance, outposts initially spread environment which made land tiles fertile. So the AI would build outposts and then cities next to them and cheese their way to domination.  Needless to say, that went away.

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November 15, 2011 8:50:57 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Frogboy,
The worst part of this is that when it's all done, bloody humans are going to mess it all up.

Can't you guys just be satisfied watching the AI fight each other? Why do people insist on interacting with it and doing crazy weird stuff?

edit: btw, while doing the AI I'm constantly pointing out cheese to Derek because the AI does it first.  For instance, outposts initially spread environment which made land tiles fertile. So the AI would build outposts and then cities next to them and cheese their way to domination.  Needless to say, that went away.
How did that go away? Did we lose the environment spread or is it just no longer allowed to put a city right by an outpost?

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November 15, 2011 9:56:13 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

But of course, I’m the boss so I can post how annoying it is to play the game at 3fps in cloth map mode. 

Can't you selectively compile some modules you aren't debugging in release/with optimizations turned on? For example, compiling the renderer module in release but leaving the AI module in debug.

This is one reason why I choose to have modules compiled as self-contained dlls, then I don't have to deal with missing/multiply-defined symbols when linking in mixed release/debug CRT code in my exe.

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November 15, 2011 10:07:04 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Frogboy loved War of Magic before it was released.  It didn't fare so well.

Now he hates it.  This is a great sign. 

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November 15, 2011 10:16:10 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Good one, Windexglow!

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November 15, 2011 11:13:25 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Cloth map looks interesting to me! Will I be able to play FE on my Eee PC netbook (Intel Atom N450 - only 1 core, 1GB, 1024x600) in this mode?

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November 15, 2011 11:18:11 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Don't hate!

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November 15, 2011 11:34:43 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Ganhialf, one thing you would need (apart from other system requirements) is a video card with access to Pixel Shader 3 or higher.

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November 16, 2011 12:27:19 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Pretty much what 'bama said...

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November 16, 2011 12:39:20 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Relias has got to Level 2 before settling?

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November 16, 2011 2:29:02 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Maybe should you use my mod ? (it juste replace the old files of parchment map)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5010946/Elemental/MapParchmentTileWater.zip

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5010946/Elemental/GfxMapParchmentTile.zip

What it looks like :

 

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November 16, 2011 2:52:57 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

i think thats point proven isnt it.. 

btw.. don't most game designers like watching the AI battle the AI? Just how many times have I loaded games like CiV and autoplayed civs against each other to quickly watch the AI build the world from scratch.. fun.

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November 16, 2011 3:01:44 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

That is a nice map mod. Where can I download that? 

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November 16, 2011 10:57:09 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Oh... I thought that the cloth map would not require Pixel Shader 3. Thanks anyway.

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November 16, 2011 11:39:49 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

You can download the files... in my previous message. There's two links, one for the map and one for the water.

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November 16, 2011 12:16:12 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Its cool that the AI picked up on the cheese right away.

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November 16, 2011 2:24:17 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

can you please leave the cloth map mode that you are using for debugging in the game as a feature for us to play with might also help slower end PC's

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November 16, 2011 3:16:48 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Cloth map mode should be in the game already (at least it was in WoM).  

 

Will we be able to see AI vs AI contests (i.e. no human player at all).  I think that would be very interesting to see sometimes.   +1 vote for that to be available in the betas.

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November 16, 2011 9:09:37 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Thanks, I thought those were just pictures.  

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November 17, 2011 5:02:58 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

"Will we be able to see AI vs AI contests (i.e. no human player at all).  I think that would be very interesting to see sometimes.   +1 vote for that to be available in the betas"

 

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