Bugs

By on September 23, 2011 4:51:19 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Derek Paxton

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The point of the implementation phase is to get all the major features in and working as quickly as possible.  It isn’t pretty, it isn’t always optimal.  But we need to push through it so that we can start play testing and deciding what is working, what is outperforming (and therefor we may want to focus more on it) and what is underperforming (and may need to be replaced).

It also leaves us with bugs.  After implementation bugs become a daily task, every build gets checked, bugs are reported, documented and fixed.  We have some leeway in implementation to get things in, after that bug hunting becomes serious business.  We catch them at the source, so we aren’t months in dealing with bugs buried under multiple changes or in code sections people have forgotten about changing.

Most bugs are pretty dull, system A interacts with system B in an unexpected way.  For example, tooltips aren’t immediately updated when a strategic spell effects a units hits points on the world map, making it look like you didn’t hurt them.  And they are easy enough to identify and fix (though the devs may argue that last point).

But occasionally we have bugs that are more fun.  The following are some of my favorites.

Transparent armor.  In Fallen Enchantress metal has a reflective shader (so metal looks like metal).  We can have a red piece of armor that looks like red metal armor, not something painted with flat red paint.  But early on this caused some transparency issues.  Transparent armor is pretty funny, but this bug came up right after I pushed the art tem to provide “sexier armor”.  The art director sent me the following screenshot back with the comment “Is this sexy enough for you?”  I love my job.

 

Production attack!  A recent bug that we‘ve had for months and never noticed resolves around the build queue.  As you would expect you can cancel anything in your production queue.  While one of our devs was doing some testing he noticed that you can click on another players cites and cancel items out of his production queue too.  That’s one way to keep your opponents down.

Circus Performer? We had a problem during reloads where the units animation pack wasn’t correctly being set to the mounted animation pack if he was on a mount.  Instead they would use their normal animations and just look to be standing on the horses saddle.  I wish I had a screenshot, but it was fairly impressive to see someone standing on their horses saddle firing arrows while their horse galloped around the battlefield.  One of the many bugs that made me seriously consider making a special trait out of it.

Ogre Crotch.  An old WoM bug.  Sometimes you would get monsters in the wilderness talking to you or hear something about them.  The window with the animated monster in it wasn’t always zoomed in correctly.  In this case it was a very tight zoom on the ogres crotch with the text “There is a growing threat in the wilderness”.  A growing threat indeed, I have never been so terrified of an Ogre.

Ogre Fear.  Speaking of being terrified of an Ogre, Ogres have a Bash ability.  Bash has a chance to knock units prone.  So if an Ogre hits you, you might be knocked down onto the ground.  Which works fine, except for the order the animation played.  Both animations (the ogre attacking and you being knocked prone) played at the same time.  Since the ogres wind up to his swing took longer than the animation of your unit falling down it appeared as if anyone facing an ogre immediately prostrated themselves in front of the ogre, and then the ogre smacked them with a club.  Not a very impressive performance from your high level hero.

Scaling.  Scaling issues are the best.  Sometimes you come around a corner and there is a hero wearing a helmet the size of mountain looking at you.  Sometimes you find a death demon the size of your foot.  Sometimes the enormous tail of an Ignys is sticking out of the darkness like a red hot poker (in a phenomenon I like to refer to as “satan’s penis”).  With this particular bug mounts were messing up the scale of their riders, making the riders huge.  This poor warg, no wonder they are always so grumpy.

 

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September 23, 2011 5:10:00 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

That reminds me of some Mormon literature I read about celibacy, "Satan's Thrust." It was very informative and ended up being my Red Orchestra screen name until they made me change it for some reason...

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September 23, 2011 5:21:30 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

lol @ warg

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September 23, 2011 5:40:21 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums


Sometimes you come around a corner and there is a hero wearing a helmet the size of mountain looking at you.

That's not a Bug. That was just Dark Helmet from Spaceballs.

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September 23, 2011 5:42:03 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Sexy nipple armor is sexy.

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September 23, 2011 5:51:29 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Ogre Crotch. An old WoM bug. Sometimes you would get monsters in the wilderness talking to you or hear something about them. The window with the animated monster in it wasn’t always zoomed in correctly. In this case it was a very tight zoom on the ogres crotch with the text “There is a growing threat in the wilderness”. A growing threat indeed, I have never been so terrified of an Ogre.

ha - nice!

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September 23, 2011 8:04:39 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Speaking of bugs... when do we start the Beta?

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September 23, 2011 9:39:34 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Very funny post!

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September 23, 2011 10:14:34 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Just sweet

 

seriously you should throw the trans-armor into the game, not sure bout the swellin Ogre though

 

 

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September 23, 2011 10:23:19 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Ogre Crotch.  An old WoM bug.  Sometimes you would get monsters in the wilderness talking to you or hear something about them.  The window with the animated monster in it wasn’t always zoomed in correctly.  In this case it was a very tight zoom on the ogres crotch with the text “There is a growing threat in the wilderness”.  A growing threat indeed, I have never been so terrified of an Ogre.

I lol'd.

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September 24, 2011 12:12:17 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Grizzyloins,
seriously you should throw the trans-armor into the game, not sure bout the swellin Ogre though

ha - make it a random event.  C'mon - you can do it!

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September 24, 2011 2:30:11 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

That man's nipples are so intense that even the strongest of steel cannot contain them.

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September 24, 2011 5:28:05 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Great update, you know the community eats up all this behind the scenes stuff.

 

The scaling bug makes me wish again for some good scaling sliders so we can easily create Dwarves and stuff like that.

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September 24, 2011 5:00:50 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

When you say "sexier armor" I hope you mean females will actually have their own armor models this time and wont look like they are running around in an armored fat-suit.

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September 24, 2011 5:36:44 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Sanati,
When you say "sexier armor" I hope you mean females will actually have their own armor models this time and wont look like they are running around in an armored fat-suit.

 

May I direct your attention to a thread by Zubaz; http://forums.elementalgame.com/409988. That is all that really need be said. I vote for equality.

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September 26, 2011 8:53:38 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Rath3130,
May I direct your attention to a thread by Zubaz; http://forums.elementalgame.com/409988. That is all that really need be said. I vote for equality.

 

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September 27, 2011 12:19:42 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

poor warg... and poor design.

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September 27, 2011 3:49:11 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Ah the blessings of being in the game industry! I wish I could post the bugs I'm fixing in any forum and have a laugh, but all of them are extremely boring business stuff.

It's too bad that salaries in the game industry are much lower compared to the business software industry, but then again money isn't everything.

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September 27, 2011 8:42:43 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

This could be a new spell: glass armor. Give a bonus to reflect spell at ennemy but become transparent. Should post that one in the ridicoulous request for futur patch thread tho...

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September 28, 2011 3:54:20 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Rath3130,

May I direct your attention to a thread by Zubaz; http://forums.elementalgame.com/409988. That is all that really need be said. I vote for equality.

If you think I'm asking about chainmail bikinis I am not (and I would be annoyed if that was what they went with). Simply full body armor that actually fits on the female model instead of hanging off 6 inches on each side and floating above their shoulders would be a drastic improvement. There's apparently a few in the game files that aren't used AFAIK for whatever reason, a mod here that unlocks them for an old version of WOM. http://forums.elementalgame.com/393527

I can't even begin to imagine why they didn't use those models for the normal female armors in WOM, it's not like there's a lot of different models they'd need to fill in. There's like what, 3 male armor models used with a couple skins for each?

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