If you are thinking about a new pc...wait

By on March 12, 2011 1:04:57 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

ekimragz

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Because they wont begin shipping computers with USB 3 next generation in them till later this year. Have a read of this and all will be revealed!

http://www.htstechtips.com/2009/12/06/us…

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March 12, 2011 3:07:15 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

This article was written in December 2009. USB 3.0 is already available, sir.

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March 12, 2011 3:19:05 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

And the technology was accepted in late 2008.  But won't be really available until later this year.  Try finding a computer with it.  It can be done but not readily as of yet.

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March 12, 2011 3:40:17 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

of course, here's what willl come around right after USB comps start being the norm...and then will make you curse for dropping the cash on them if you're an early adopter.  Sigh...it never ends.

 

 

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March 12, 2011 4:02:06 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

And that's something to sigh about? Advancement in technology is one of humanity's great hopes.

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March 12, 2011 4:05:07 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

I can't afford the new technology!

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March 12, 2011 5:31:18 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

of course, here's what willl come around right after USB

That too was written two years ago. USB 3.0 is here and off the shelf. I do not see Light Peak anywhere.

 

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March 12, 2011 5:33:09 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Advancement in technology is one of humanity's great hopes.
I stopped trying to keep up with the bleeding edge of technology in 1996 after I bought a Pentium Pro @200 MHz with a 1MB L2 cache. I paid $1,000 for the processor alone. I kept that PC untill 1999 when I wanted to run Direct X applications which were unbearably slow.

Since then I've found that the best thing to do is when you're forced to upgrade for one performance reason or another is to buy the most reasonable 2nd tier technology available at that instant and drive it til the wheels fall off. I'm sure by today's standard my Intel Core2 Duo 6600 @2.4GHz is a POS but it does all I need it to do.

After about a dozen times around the high performance technology ferris wheel the bleeding edge of technology loses it's appeal. No matter what you buy it loses half its value once you drive it off the lot and in 6 months will be obsolete. It's not a matter of money because I can afford any system that I could ever want its just a matter of the ennui of who cares.

In any case my desire for the highest performance hardware is highly diminished by the crap software most companies put out these days. If you look at it honestly you have to acknowledge that over my working life which is a little bit in excess of 30 years processor, memory, video, cache, system bus, or any other measure of hardware performance that you wish to choose has increased by at least 1,000 times. Generally from MHz to a corresponding value of GHz.

Over tha same period by about the most generous allowance overall system performance you can grant is perhaps 10 times more performant than 30 years ago and that's being very generous. Viewed this way software has effectively wasted hardware performance improvements of over 100 times. In other words for every doubling of hardware performance, software is able to effectively utilize only 1 percent.

Why should I spend my money on improved hardware so that the latest software can waste 99% of the improvement?

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March 12, 2011 5:39:56 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I'm not saying you should always pay for the latest technological advances, you'll have to weigh the pros and cons on your own. But if you by default lament new technology, that is a poor attitude to have since we owe so much to it. If someone sighs at technological advancements being unending, I would say we should be so fortunate that it never ends.

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March 12, 2011 5:43:17 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
Light Peak is in the real development phase now. Just grabbed a quick reference article. Here's a more current one: http://www.macrumors.com/2011/02/19/apple-to-introduce-light-peak-high-speed-connection-technology-soon/
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March 12, 2011 6:09:03 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

This article was written in December 2009. USB 3.0 is already available, sir.

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March 12, 2011 7:56:44 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Pre built computers always lag a bit behind. If you build your own you can easily have usb 3.0 at this point. But really.. who cares? I never do anything speed intensive with USB anyway. I use it for.. my wireles mouse. my wireless controller, mp3 player and a printer.. lol

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March 12, 2011 8:09:54 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

<s> you mean that motherboard with 4 usb3 ports i ordered thursday isn't usb3 compatible?  </s>

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March 12, 2011 8:10:49 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting ekimragz,
But won't be really available until later this year.  Try finding a computer with it. 

The desktop computer sitting next to me on my desk has two (2) USB 3.0 ports in it. I built this computer last fall. I had no trouble at all getting my hands on a motherboard supporting the USB 3.0 standard.

If you are still convinced that you are correct, then explain to me why USB 3.0 appears in the tech specs of this alienware desktop:

http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-aurora-r3/pd.aspx

Cheers.

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March 12, 2011 8:35:59 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Since then I've found that the best thing to do is when you're forced to upgrade for one performance reason or another is to buy the most reasonable 2nd tier technology available at that instant and drive it til the wheels fall off. I'm sure by today's standard my Intel Core2 Duo 6600 @2.4GHz is a POS but it does all I need it to do.

Best answer. Trying to keep up with tech is never ending. You have to take the plunge at some point. Know what you want and then wait for a reasonable price.

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March 12, 2011 8:37:36 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Pre built computers always lag a bit behind. If you build your own you can easily have usb 3.0 at this point. But really.. who cares? I never do anything speed intensive with USB anyway. I use it for.. my wireles mouse. my wireless controller, mp3 player and a printer.. lol

The thing is, when you have USB external HDD's, USB3 is a great innovation and a time saver for data backups and transfers, etc.  Thus my next build most definitely will have USB3 ports because I already have 2 USB3 compatible external drives and I'd like to save more time when creating my weekly backups [2 OSes/2 internal storage HDD's}.

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March 12, 2011 8:59:34 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting starkers,

The thing is, when you have USB external HDD's, USB3 is a great innovation and a time saver for data backups and transfers, etc.  Thus my next build most definitely will have USB3 ports because I already have 2 USB3 compatible external drives and I'd like to save more time when creating my weekly backups [2 OSes/2 internal storage HDD's}.

Oh i agree 100%. There is a use for USB 3 of course. I just personally wouldn't see any improvement from it, and maybe i'm unknowingly in the minority.. but I figure the average pc user wouldn't either. I'll probably have usb 3 with my next build as well.. but not because i want it or need it.. just because it's on most new motherboards lol. But ya.. maybe I underestimate the amount of data transfers people do through USB.

I certainly didn't mean to imply its useless.. just that to alot of people the difference between USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 wouldn't be noticable. I just found it odd that someone would suggest people should wait to purchase a new PC because they would want USB3 instead of 2. Because if you think about it.. anyone who has a need for USB3 probably is already informed of it.

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March 12, 2011 9:04:10 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

But ya.. maybe I underestimate the amound of data transfers people do through USB.

If you're not doing it yourself it is guaranteed to come back and bite you....eventually.

Backing up data/work/etc is critical/essential.

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March 12, 2011 9:05:13 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Jafo,

But ya.. maybe I underestimate the amound of data transfers people do through USB.
If you're not doing it yourself it is guaranteed to come back and bite you....eventually.

Backing up data/work/etc is critical/essential.

LoL i Reformat yearly.(sometimes every 2 years.. anytime i do a major upgrade.)I have a rule.. i don't put any data on my PC I can't afford to lose(this is something that was engrained into me from years of using windows, and cheap second hand harddrives). I could see how that would be valid for people who use a PC for work, or someone who doesn't consider a reformat as a solution to any problem).. but a pc is just my gaming toy. (consequently the amount of upgrading and poking around I do is why i'm still running XP rather than one of the phone home/hash check windows versions)

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March 12, 2011 9:13:14 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

why i'm still running XP rather than one of the phone home/hash check windows versions)

Oh....you mean one of the MS OSes that actually WORKS? [Windows 7]....

XP is a dinosaur.....that hasn't seen/noticed the meteor strike....yet.

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March 12, 2011 9:17:03 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Jafo,

why i'm still running XP rather than one of the phone home/hash check windows versions)
Oh....you mean one of the MS OSes that actually WORKS? [Windows 7]....

XP is a dinosaur.....that hasn't seen/noticed the meteor strike....yet.

Very true.. but the price of a NON OEM version of windows7 is something I haven't been able to justify to myself(yet). If only games were made for Linux.. lol. But ya at this point I'm running an AM2+ mobo with an AM3 processor(last thing I upgraded) and 4gb of DDR2. So in order for me to justify upgrading I need more ram.. and i'm certinally not going to buy more DDR2 at this point.. so i need a new MOBO. So next upgrade goes to mobo and 6+gb of DDR3. Then spending $200 for a 64 bit OS will be easier to talk myself into. Of course thats all assuming I have extra cash to do so...which is another issue entirely.

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March 12, 2011 9:54:02 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Then again . . . What good is having the newest technology if there's nothing to take advantage of it?

I don't have USB 3 on my computer but my 2TB external drive has a USB 3 interface.

I don't see anything for Intel's super fast bus yet.

Also, USB 3 is backwards compatible, so that's a BIG plus!

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March 12, 2011 11:24:17 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

USB 3.0 is fully implemented now--meaning new comps will routinely roll off the line with compatability for it.  Some of the first version boards may have issue with later hardare such as external dvds/hard drives.

Which brings me back to LightPeak.  USb 3.0 is finally "ubiquitous" and in about a year...it will begin to become dated by "Light Peak".  I am NOT an early adopter unless it really provides something essential (I did voip when it first began).  About the time Light Peak comes out I'll be looking at usb 3.0 boards.

Then when quantum network direct neural interfaces come out six months later I'll probably get Light Peak.

No wonder Skynet is going to get us--it's sick of the constant firmware upgrades.

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March 12, 2011 12:13:04 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

My point was to provide a heads up that the technology was not readily available on today's computers but will be on tomorrow's so that people might consider this when timing their purchase.  No more no less.  I was really not addressing people who buy components and assemble their own bleeding edge computers. 

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March 12, 2011 2:54:33 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I would think ESATA is a bit faster than USB 3.0 for data transfer.

consequently the amount of upgrading and poking around I do is why i'm still running XP rather than one of the phone home/hash check windows versions

Windows 7 doesn't call home as much as you think and even XP calls home. It's not a big deal as long as you are running a legit version of Windows.

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March 12, 2011 3:52:03 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting kona0197,
I would think ESATA is a bit faster than USB 3.0 for data transfer.


consequently the amount of upgrading and poking around I do is why i'm still running XP rather than one of the phone home/hash check windows versions
Windows 7 doesn't call home as much as you think and even XP calls home. It's not a big deal as long as you are running a legit version of Windows.

Ya i didn't exactly explain myself well.The only version of windows 7 i could  afford would be an OEM version.. which would leave me screwed the first time i upgraded my mobo.  Not to mention even with a full version i would have to reregister my version after things like processor upgrades/ or reconfiguring my system etc depending on how picky the hash wants to be. GD hash checks. Far as phoning home.. XP only does it with certain updates which i just keep "forgetting" to download

And ya i have a legit copy but I didn't buy it. XP was just as pricey as 7 is. Had someone not given it to me i'd still be running win2k pro. Sad thing about Microsoft is that they NEVER discount their OS no matter how old. Vista is still full price. Me and microsoft just have a fundamental difference in opinion about how much a retail version of their OS should cost.

Especially considering in a year or 2 windows 8 will be released and MS will make a new Direct X version thats not supported on windows 7 in another attempt to force everyone to upgrade again. So ya i'm in no rush to pay MS 200$ for an OS that they will make obsolete in a few years by redoing driver architecture and discontinuing support of new direct X versions on it.

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