Shogun 2 Total War Demo out TOMORROW (Feb 22)

By on February 21, 2011 8:05:29 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

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I just found out some Awesome news. There is a Demo of "Shogun 2: Total War" coming out TOMORROW (Feb 22) on Steam. This should be Awesome!!

"SAN FRANCISCO & LONDON (February 15, 2011) – SEGA® of America, Inc. and SEGA Europe Ltd. today announced that the eagerly awaited demo of the next title in the critically acclaimed Total War™ series, Total War: Shogun 2™, will be available on Steam on February 22, 2011."

Source: http://www.world-gaming.com/component/content/article/6-general/2483-shogun-2-total-war-demo-released-date-announced-pre-order-bonuses.html

 

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February 21, 2011 8:21:33 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

This game looks pretty fantastic. I'm skeptical that the AI is as great as they say, but hey!, the sys specs are low enough to run on my laptop!

Edit: Granted, with a few mods, the M2TW AI (well, the tactical one, anyway- definitely NOT the strategic) was good enough to wipe the fields with me, so maybe that wouldn't be as much of a plus as I'd imagined.

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February 21, 2011 8:49:30 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Hey, thanks for the head's up Raven.

Shogun still stands as one of my favorite games, and I'd like to see if CA have worked out the bugs and just plain mechanical wonkiness that ruined, for me, Empire.

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February 21, 2011 10:00:53 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Nice that the demos out tomorrow, hopefully we get our power back.

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February 21, 2011 10:10:08 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting LightofAbraxas,
This game looks pretty fantastic. I'm skeptical that the AI is as great as they say, but hey!, the sys specs are low enough to run on my laptop!

Edit: Granted, with a few mods, the M2TW AI (well, the tactical one, anyway- definitely NOT the strategic) was good enough to wipe the fields with me, so maybe that wouldn't be as much of a plus as I'd imagined.

Agreed. I'm hoping the battle AI will be a little more up to snuff in this one as well. I have high hopes though as they're saying the battle AI in this version was somehow modeled after Sun Tzu's "The Art of War". I'm no AI programmer so I don't know how exactly the programming end of that would work, but, I have read "The Art of War" and many of it's founding principles are still viable and in use today by militaries around the world. If the battle AI is even half as good then I expect it to be leaps and bounds ahead of earlier games in the series.

Quoting louist,
Hey, thanks for the head's up Raven.

Shogun still stands as one of my favorite games, and I'd like to see if CA have worked out the bugs and just plain mechanical wonkiness that ruined, for me, Empire.

Np, Lousit, glad to be of help my friend. Speaking of "Empire: TW", though, have you tried it lately with the latest patches that have been released? The last few patches in particular have made a WORLD of Improvement over the vanilla game and the first few patches. If you haven't tried it in a while I'd recommend giving it another chance and seeing if the battles have improved for your tastes.

Before the newest patches units had an issue with going into mêlée too soon or with charging an enemy force and then standing there going in circles while your armies would just shred them with rounds. Luckily they fixed that and units behave a lot better now. If it was too easy for you, you could also try upping the difficulty. Definitely try the newest patches though if you haven't already.

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February 21, 2011 10:27:29 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

CAUTION:

I distinctly remember the Empire:TW demo being of a higher degree of quality than the actual release.

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February 21, 2011 10:28:29 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Agreed. I'm hoping the battle AI will be a little more up to snuff in this one as well. I have high hopes though as they're saying the battle AI in this version was somehow modeled after Sun Tzu's "The Art of War". I'm no AI programmer so I don't know how exactly the programming end of that would work, but, I have read "The Art of War" and many of it's founding principles are still viable and in use today by militaries around the world. If the battle AI is even half as good then I expect it to be leaps and bounds ahead of earlier games in the series.

Yeah, I agree with that. The principle most relevant to tactical battles would be (in my limited estimation) that a successful army should flow like water into an enemy's weakness and away from their strength. This seems pretty feasible from a programming perspective, and the review I read seemed to back this up.

I'd be very interested to hear everyone's impressions of the demo!

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February 21, 2011 11:53:26 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting TheProgress,
CAUTION:

I distinctly remember the Empire:TW demo being of a higher degree of quality than the actual release.

lol TP...don't ask me why that was kinda funny, it was though.

I'd have to say you're right as well, but, we have to keep in mind (IIRC) the first demo for Empire was just one land battle wasn't it? I don't remember if there was a sea battle too, but I remember playing that land battle with the Americans vs the Brits at least 30 or 40 times so I could study the battle AI. I don't think there was any Strategic Map play at all. No governing a city, no map movement, no diplomacy etc etc. As far as the battle AI goes I'd say it was on par with the battle AI of the initial vanilla release. It didn't start doing it's dancing around in mêlée mode routine until a few patches in. I remember when it happened the forums over there blew up with complaints too..lol.

Quoting LightofAbraxas,

I'd be very interested to hear everyone's impressions of the demo!

I would as well. I wrote an A.A.R. over on the official forums when the Empire demo came out. I got some decent feed-back but I also got a few complaints too saying that my A.A.R. was more like a "How To" on the battle and not enough like a traditional A.A.R. . Maybe I gave too much advice or something, I don't know. If I feel up to it though, after I've played this demo a few times I'll do a report on it here for those interested. I know there's probably a lot of strategy war game fans around here that might like to read it .

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February 22, 2011 12:17:47 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Demo is larger than 5 gigs. Happy downloading.

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February 22, 2011 1:30:51 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I'll have my Dragon Age 2 demo to play through while it's downloading, then

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February 22, 2011 2:14:50 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Annatar11,
I'll have my Dragon Age 2 demo to play through while it's downloading, then

PC or Xbox? I don't see anything on Steam.

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February 22, 2011 2:21:55 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting TheProgress,
Demo is larger than 5 gigs. Happy downloading.

The Demo is 5,943.4 MB. I just finished downloading it. When you start the download it will say the "estimated time" is a little over an hour, but don't believe that. If you have a decent connection it should only take about 30 to 45 minutes. It took me a little over a half hour. Sadly I have to run into town and take care of a few things at the health department before I can play .

I'll let everyone know how it plays some time tonight. Stay tuned!!!

Quoting Annatar11,
I'll have my Dragon Age 2 demo to play through while it's downloading, then

Thanks for reminding me that came out today as well . Downloading it now. Good looking out bro .

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February 22, 2011 2:30:57 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting RavenX,

The Demo is 5,943.4 MB. I just finished downloading it. When you start the download it will say the "estimated time" is a little over an hour, but don't believe that. If you have a decent connection it should only take about 30 to 45 minutes. It took me a little over a half hour. Sadly I have to run into town and take care of a few things at the health department before I can play .

Oh I wasn't implying that I was having a problem with the demo size - I was more warning those who are on fixed bandwidth plans / slow connections.

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February 22, 2011 3:22:57 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I love my new internet, just finished downloading. Was just over 20mins. Now just waiting on DAII demo.

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February 22, 2011 11:49:31 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Downloading now.

 

Raven- I have given Empire a few plays with later patches, but overall I still wasn't that into it

But, I will forgive them. Because of Shogun.

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February 23, 2011 2:24:40 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting RavenX,

I have high hopes though as they're saying the battle AI in this version was somehow modeled after Sun Tzu's "The Art of War". 

Creative Assembly actually said the very same thing of the first Shogun Total War. Here are some quotes from wikipedia: "Sun Tzu's The Art of War is central to the game; its precepts are quoted often and its strategies recommended." "the teachings of Sun Tzu's The Art of War are integral to the tactics used by the game artificial intelligence"

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February 23, 2011 6:27:57 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Seems like a disgustingly well-made game to me. The demo is a bit restrictive (click this, go there, do that, don't touch anything else), but I get the feeling that with everything "unlocked" it would be insanely fun. Also missing some AA settings in tactical combat, while the graphics are great they can get a bit "pixel-lish" at times. LOVE the new combat animations for everyone, it really looks much, much better than before. Not sure how to feel about the arts tree, it's hard to get an overview of what units come from where just by looking at it (it lists what buildings it unlocks, but not what units).

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February 23, 2011 7:52:41 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Honestly, this felt just like playing E:TW only with different units. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but what does the game have to make it stand out from the previous?

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February 23, 2011 12:16:53 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Ninjas.

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February 23, 2011 2:27:33 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Personally, I am very skeptical about the game. I played the demo, somehow it looks worse graphically than ETW - strange lighting, faces look rubbery, melee animations are stiff and jerky. Charging soldiers run, and then all stop before attacking. Yari ashigaru (peasant conscripts) use katana for close combat (wtf?)

I looked through the encyclopedia, and prevalent fantasy elements stick out still - women armed with naginata listed under "heavy infantry", invisible black-pyjama-clad ninja plague the battlefield, samurai armed with matchlock guns (true samurai despised firearms).

My predictions about this game:

Upon release, the AI will be broken/horrible - they will correct some stuff with patches, but especially strategic AI will remain broken. It was so with all the previous releases from RTW on.

The game will be full of bugs - I case of M2TW, shield were subtracted from defense rather than added. It took devs months to correct. Config files contained trivial typos that broke features of the game. 2h units were unable to hit anything due to slow animations.

This game will be similar to Civilization 5 - even the GUI looks similar. Under the guise of "streamlining" and "accessibility" (read "budgetary constraints"), features will be culled, while the AI will be still incompetent.

I am even willing to bet! 

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February 23, 2011 2:44:59 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

First score I have seen for S2TW with PC gamer is a 92%... I will need to read that...

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February 23, 2011 3:09:47 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

This will hardly surprise me. I was a great fun of the series but since Creative Assembly left Activision and went to Sega game lost its seriousness and has gone from bad to worse. Last good total war title was Rome (and probably the best) and that was 7 years ago. Every other, Medieval 2, the horrible Empire, were nothing but graphic improvements of the older games with broken features and bugs. AI is still missing! I weep the money i gave them to buy Empire and i no longer trust reviews when i see a Creative Assembly title there. Just remember all the high praise Empire had on release and how noone said how buggy the game was.. Remembering that people dont need to act so excited whenever a total war title comes.

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February 23, 2011 4:47:45 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting e1iphas,
This will hardly surprise me. I was a great fun of the series but since Creative Assembly left Activision and went to Sega game lost its seriousness and has gone from bad to worse. Last good total war title was Rome (and probably the best) and that was 7 years ago. Every other, Medieval 2, the horrible Empire, were nothing but graphic improvements of the older games with broken features and bugs. AI is still missing! I weep the money i gave them to buy Empire and i no longer trust reviews when i see a Creative Assembly title there. Just remember all the high praise Empire had on release and how noone said how buggy the game was.. Remembering that people dont need to act so excited whenever a total war title comes.

i agree that for me too rome TW so far has been the most enjoyable. hell i still play it. accually they got it out for the mac along with barbarian invasion and it plays like a dream. i downloaded the parallels 6 and now i can even play ewom on the mac. sad but i have to say windows runs smoother on the mac than when ive run it in my old pc.

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February 23, 2011 4:55:52 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Kamamura_CZ,
 samurai armed with matchlock guns (true samurai despised firearms).
 

While I do share some of your suspicions regarding S:TW 2, I still want facts straight.

Firearms were nearly decisive during Sengoku Jidai. And their users were the samurai.

Have a look here. Some quotes:

  • during the Sengoku period.. Matchlock guns were used extensively and had a decisive role in warfare
  •  In 1549, Oda Nobunaga ordered 500 guns to be made for his armies
  • in the year 1567 Takeda Shingen announced that "Hereafter, the guns will be the most important arms. Therefore decrease the number of spears per unit, and have your most capable men carry guns"

If you don't call Takeda Shingen or Oda Nobunaga true samurais, then who?

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February 24, 2011 1:44:46 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Vallu751,

Creative Assembly actually said the very same thing of the first Shogun Total War. Here are some quotes from wikipedia: "Sun Tzu's The Art of War is central to the game; its precepts are quoted often and its strategies recommended." "the teachings of Sun Tzu's The Art of War are integral to the tactics used by the game artificial intelligence"

True, very true. Back then though AI wasn't what it is today. After playing the hell out of the demo I can say the battle AI in Shogun 2 really is pretty damn good. The demo is actually a REAL demo this time and not just a single battle. There's a small little Demo Campaign with a small island you have to conquer. The only thing that pisses me off about the demo is that even though you may have to fight more than 3 battles to win the entire island they limit you to only being able to personally command (aka Play) 3 battles. Aside from that this is the best Demo of..well, anything, that I've played lately.

Quoting Heavenfall,
Seems like a disgustingly well-made game to me. The demo is a bit restrictive (click this, go there, do that, don't touch anything else), but I get the feeling that with everything "unlocked" it would be insanely fun. Also missing some AA settings in tactical combat, while the graphics are great they can get a bit "pixel-lish" at times. LOVE the new combat animations for everyone, it really looks much, much better than before. Not sure how to feel about the arts tree, it's hard to get an overview of what units come from where just by looking at it (it lists what buildings it unlocks, but not what units).

I agree with everything here except the "pixel-ish" comment. I'm running the demo with everything on "Ultra" except for the couple options that won't go over "High" and I haven't seen any pixelation at all. In fact everything looks f'king FANTASTIC to me. This is easily the best looking war game of it's kind I've ever seen (and played).

Quoting Annatar11,
Honestly, this felt just like playing E:TW only with different units. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but what does the game have to make it stand out from the previous?

I gotta disagree with you on this one, Annatar. To me the prevalence of fire-arms in Empire makes it feel completely different than the rest of the series, including Shogun 2. True there is the "occasional" matchlock unit in Shogun 2 but they're no where near as common as in Empire. I've fought against a few in the demo but they're pretty restricted in availability. Even in the full game the only way to recruit matchlock units will be to convert your religion to one of the European religions so that the traders will trade guns to you, but, that will greatly displease your peasants and likely destabilize your country and economy. In the full game matchlock units are "supposed" to be quite rare.

To me this game feels more like Rome and Med2, but particularly Rome, which I LOVED.

To make it stand out from the others in the series I think that would fall back a lot on the setting. It's even way different than the original Shogun when it comes down to "presentation". The game is presented beautifully, incredibly so. Plus when you add in Ninja and Geisha and the unique way the Japanese handled naval engagements I definitely think this game has enough merits to stand on it's own as the Best in the Series to date. Needless to say after playing the demo I'm completely stoked for the actual release.

Quoting Kamamura_CZ,
Personally, I am very skeptical about the game. I played the demo, somehow it looks worse graphically than ETW - strange lighting, faces look rubbery, mêlée animations are stiff and jerky. Charging soldiers run, and then all stop before attacking. Yari ashigaru (peasant conscripts) use katana for close combat (wtf?)

I looked through the encyclopedia, and prevalent fantasy elements stick out still - women armed with naginata listed under "heavy infantry", invisible black-pajama-clad ninja plague the battlefield, samurai armed with matchlock guns (true samurai despised firearms).

My predictions about this game:

Upon release, the AI will be broken/horrible - they will correct some stuff with patches, but especially strategic AI will remain broken. It was so with all the previous releases from RTW on.

The game will be full of bugs - I case of M2TW, shield were subtracted from defense rather than added. It took devs months to correct. Config files contained trivial typos that broke features of the game. 2h units were unable to hit anything due to slow animations.

This game will be similar to Civilization 5 - even the GUI looks similar. Under the guise of "streamlining" and "accessibility" (read "budgetary constraints"), features will be culled, while the AI will be still incompetent.

I am even willing to bet! 

Man, Kama, I couldn't disagree more I don't think. What settings are you playing on? To me it looks graphically superior to E:TW in every way possible. Look a little further up in this post here and you'll see my thoughts on matchlocks in the game. I thought the Ninja that were used in the demo were used pretty well. Also I didn't see ANY of that "Charging soldiers run, and then all stop before attacking" you mention. I've played the historical battle at least 10 times now and haven't seen that happen once, at least not to me. Did you initiate an ability before the actual attack or something?

As for the predictions:

If the AI is as good as the demo in the full game the battle AI will be very "decent". It won't be mind boggling or anything, but I don't think it will be as broken as E:TW's was.

Bugs: Yeah, there will probably be a few. It's honestly still too early to tell at this point, but, one thing they did say "Your enemy will put troops on ships and launch successful invasions from the start", which has always been broken in every other single TW launch to date.

Comparable to Civ V: I don't know, I didn't play Civ V. I couldn't stand the combat mechanics of the Civ games, hated them since Civ 3.


I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Shogun 2 will be the BEST game in the TW series to date and it will be heralded right up there with the likes of Rome and the first Shogun. I really can't wait until launch day. Hopefully I won't be too sick or low on meds and I won't have to spend most of the day in bed that day, because the demo of Shogun 2 got me hooked.

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February 24, 2011 5:52:00 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

 for your optimism RavenX! I hope you're right.

Note that the battle AIs for the demo may be somewhat scripted.

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