A comment on dynasties and female children

By on August 31, 2010 8:40:40 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

kenata

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I have seen alot of posts lately talking about Dynasties, but I have a specific set of concerns with respect to children and your family. Perhaps this may be a lack of knowledge on my part, but currently, there is no way for a child to get married without being married to a rival faction. With respect to male children, this is fine as the new wives are given to your faction an grandchildren eventual join too.This would be fine if every faction received an even distribution of male and female children.

However, consider the scenario where by you sovereign has all girls. In this scenario, your dynasty would be doomed to either have no grandchildren while these female champions fought for your faction, or only have grandchildren as members of other factions. If you married of your children, you would gain diplomatic bonuses, but your rival faction would also get access to the spellcasting grandchildren of your children making them far more powerful. I think it should be possible for your children to marry npcs just like the sovereign so that grandchildren can be produced by a single faction without having to intermarry.

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August 31, 2010 8:59:03 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I agree on the part about being able to marry NPCs. 

You will not be left without champions, however, as the grandchildren will sometimes ally themselves with their mothers original faction, ie. leaving the faction they were born into and joining the mother's parent's faction. Did that make sense?

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August 31, 2010 9:09:58 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Which, on a side note, will allow you to inbreed your faction in the most horrible fashion, as you can match your sons with their defected sisters...

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August 31, 2010 9:12:42 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Which could make for all sorts of interesting repercussions.  Perhaps inbred children have a higher chance of achieving some special ability...but at the cost of public opprobrium that might cause your cities to revolt. 

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August 31, 2010 9:19:29 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Hmm...just like now the real world works.

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August 31, 2010 9:23:15 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Just so you know your grandchildren can and sometimes will decide to join your faction instead of their parents one. So they took this into account already. Same for when you have grandkids with that female who came to your side. Those babies grow up and some might side with you or with their other grandparents faction.

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September 1, 2010 12:38:50 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

While I am aware that grandchildren can change sides, it is not a significant chance. Ultimately speaking, my issue is really that I should be able to choose not to arrange marriage and instead solidify my dynasty within my own borders.

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September 1, 2010 12:57:34 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I heartily endorse adding incest to the game.

 

Also, as was mentioned in the suggestions forum, we need a spell to change the sex of heroes.  "Arcane Transgendering."

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September 1, 2010 1:13:58 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I recall reading from somewhere that daughters could inherit titles of dynasty they are married to which could be a boon.

 

So is it possible to take over dynasty by marrying daughters to them and then offing the boss & sons, leaving only grieving widows who return to daddy along with all the inheritance?

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September 1, 2010 3:27:17 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Tergon,
I recall reading from somewhere that daughters could inherit titles of dynasty they are married to which could be a boon.

 

So is it possible to take over dynasty by marrying daughters to them and then offing the boss & sons, leaving only grieving widows who return to daddy along with all the inheritance?
no cause in the current set up when you kill an enemy sovereign "dead dead" his whole empire disappears from the face of the earth as though it had all been a mirage.

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October 23, 2010 7:20:03 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

It seems pretty significant in my game.  All 3 of my grandchildren have sided with my ally.  Granted, they kind of suck, so whatever...

I'd like to be able to easily marry off grandkids to adventurers.

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October 23, 2010 7:53:49 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I'd like to be able to easily marry off grandkids to adventurers.

I agree, though I would want to see this as one part of an overhaul of the champion system. I would love to see loyalty added to the game and each champion given a side ( Empire or Faction ) which dictates their initial loyalty. At current, champions don't feel real enough as they are just like normal units whose level and equipment you can manage. It would be really cool if you could marry your daughters and granddaughters to them to improve their loyalty or to add more depth to your family tree.

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October 23, 2010 8:39:48 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Easy to fix.  Allow for more children than just four.

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October 23, 2010 8:40:09 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I agree on the part about being able to marry NPCs.

i hope they will enable it in the first exapansion

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October 23, 2010 9:20:38 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Incest is already in the game, I married a brother and sister and they had kids...and I married their kids to each other!  Not sure how long you can inbred that thick in real life before you get mutant tards, but I should be approaching that.

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October 24, 2010 1:33:36 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

You can marry your daughters to the neutral factions (if you have them enabled and one makes it into your game); then at least your daughter will not actively be competing against you. But still, meh.

The best outcome I've had with grandchildren was marrying my daughter to Kul-al-Kulan's son, then having their son defect to me, which gave me a leader with the Organized trait (since the pre-gen Sovs still have Organized). That would also work with Kraxix or Markinn. Likewise I've goten grandaughters with Royalty from Procipinee's line, etc.

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October 24, 2010 2:58:55 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I don't really mind marrying my girls off, by the end of the game, I end up with 50 channelers anyway.  I don't even use most of them.

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