Theres also some talk about this in the thread about shards not working.

Basically i agree.. The game needs more stats, magical stats, different melee type stats etc..

Magic only sucks because they're basing it on armor. I think that if they simply added in this stat, magic would be more worthwhile in combat.

Yeah, it would also need to differentiate between physical spells and metaphysical spells, which would be a lot of work. To be honest, I expected any game with magic to have a separate set of resistances for physical and magic. I was surprised to learn Stardock really dropped the ball here.

Bump, the Stardock people must see this!

No, see, that's the whole problem. Magic sucks because it goes up against defence. You can get defence from armor, but tell me, how is that ****** armor going to defend you from a ball of fire hurled at your face? Since defence controls how much damage magic does, ogres and other such powerful monsters can easily shrug off your 50-100 damage spells, mitigating them to measly numbers in the single digits. In other games, magic is supposed to be EFFECTIVE against foes that are physically strong, for the sole reason that it ignores armor. Thus, we need a magic resistance stat derived from wisdom or intelligence that controls how much damage your spells do vs. oponents, not defence.

I agree with the need for spell effects to be based on Magic and not Physical, but we don't need a new stat.  We just need to have either 'Intelligence', or better yet, 'Wisdom' be the magic defense stat.

Adding new stats could cause more math bugs in the game.

It shouldn't just be magic, it should be elemental based....like a fire elemental should be damaged more by cold...and cold by fire.

Yes, when I attacked trolls, I did not care if I used fireball or lightning.  Yawn, who cares.  But, for one example, trolls should be vulnerable to fire, and perhaps evern regenerate physical damame.  Now THAT would add variety and strategy to a battle.  As for now, who cares . . . .

I agree 100%. that is pretty standard fantasy fare.

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I agree with the OP.  Magic should be countered by a Magic Resistance, not armor rating.

There's a lot of good stuff in this thread.  Though I don't think anything should be completely physical immune (or at least incredibly rare), or you could end up screwed in unreasonable ways.

And to emphasize / paraphrase what someone else said: if your magical attack is throwing something physical at someone, then armor defense is the correct counter. Otherwise, not so much.

Stardock is aware of these feeling and in some thread (from the last week) said they were looking at separating magic for physical damage as part of a magic system improvement.. Just a FYI for the OP that this idea is already under consideration.. 

Note not a complaint because it already being talked about .. just want the OP to know something like this is in the works...

 Well, after playing for many more hours today/tonight, I got sick of using magic.  Miss, miss, miss,  all because a monster had a high number after it's shield.  I tried using that "Mind Blast" or whatever spell, thinking it might bypass a monsters high def; miss, miss, miss.

It was just way easier to go full melee and take them out that way.   Elemental, War of Melee. . . (till some updates I hope)