So, you thought we played by the same rules?

By on July 21, 2010 10:44:06 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Blaze of Glory

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-07-20/jeffrey-epstein-billionaire-pedophile-goes-free/full/

This jerk should be on top of the "remove from humanity list" but the lawyers are good. That's right, he got less than other assholes selling drugs to your kids or stealing your car.

"Some day, and that day may never come, I will call upon you to do a service for me. But until that day, consider this justice a gift on my daughter's wedding day."

We are all equal, just some of us are more equal than others....

 

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July 24, 2010 2:30:01 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Jafo,
Raven X ...explained via PM ....

Understood, my friend.

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July 24, 2010 11:29:20 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

So sorry for the ranting, flaming and whining folks

Look, I know there are areas of the world where it is perfectly legal to have sex with what we would consider underage girls. Hell, each state has different rules. Yes Raven, there are some really screwed up rules that have ruined many young lives. That is being corrected in many states as they realize what the did was getting regular guys like your friend in trouble.

That said, there is no excuse for a middle aged rich man to knowingly break the law daily. There is no excuse for his staff (not that staff, his hired peps) to knowingly assist in these crimes.

While true, it isn't murder, it is using your position, money and influence to get away with a crime. As to the girls, I think if we look back at some of the things we did when we were young, we can probably find a few DOH moments we would rather have not done. That is just one of the reasons for laws protecting minors.

As for Tiger, yeah it was pretty messed up. The deal is, he probably shouldn't have gotten married if he still wanted to tramp around. If he was a jerk the whole time, it would have probably been ignored. The media and society likes to build heroes and then tear them down again.

 

 

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July 24, 2010 12:06:30 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Blaze of Glory,
So sorry for the ranting, flaming and whining folks

Look, I know there are areas of the world where it is perfectly legal to have sex with what we would consider underage girls. Hell, each state has different rules. Yes Raven, there are some really screwed up rules that have ruined many young lives. That is being corrected in many states as they realize what the did was getting regular guys like your friend in trouble.

That said, there is no excuse for a middle aged rich man to knowingly break the law daily. There is no excuse for his staff (not that staff, his hired peps) to knowingly assist in these crimes.

While true, it isn't murder, it is using your position, money and influence to get away with a crime. As to the girls, I think if we look back at some of the things we did when we were young, we can probably find a few DOH moments we would rather have not done. That is just one of the reasons for laws protecting minors.

As for Tiger, yeah it was pretty messed up. The deal is, he probably shouldn't have gotten married if he still wanted to tramp around. If he was a jerk the whole time, it would have probably been ignored. The media and society likes to build heroes and then tear them down again.

I agree with you my friend, whole heartedly. I think they should take the scum ball from your OP, strip him of All his riches and give them to the poor, and then throw him in a prison cell dressed as a woman with 10 large guys name "Bubba" so they can corn-hole him until his ass bleeds...RofL. Not that I want to see any gay prison porn or anything but I probably know some peeps who would Pay to see that.

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July 24, 2010 12:11:12 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Note: I don't think you were "whining" my friend, not at all. You were expressing your feelings with passion. I my-self have been guilty of the same thing here....multiple times. You don't have anything to say sorry for as far as I'm concerned, except for maybe over-reacting a tad, but that's more then Ok

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July 24, 2010 7:59:33 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Thanks Raven, yes, I do have "passion" when it comes to causes where "might makes right!" Personally, I think the current system is designed to "what is the least we have to give society to get the most out of it".

Well, the tipping point of this system is the American Revolution at best and the Terror, Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia and countless other examples at the worst. If you want a thriving business, you need to retain skilled employees. You can't retain them by treating them like dirt. We are a fallible species. When pressed, we care only about food, clothing, shelter and security.

To me, and my small mind, the tipping points are

unions and corporations

I don't think most people really understand the brave and noble causes of the first unions. It was the first civil rights struggle, not to diminish the 60's civil rights movement which was way overdue. If you look at just what linemen went through to string telegraph and electrical lines up in the past, we would be appalled at what they risked.

Then later, the unions hijacked the corporations. Demanding too much for too little. The pendulum swung too far the other way.

Now, the pendulum is back with the major corporations.

History is a pendulum of "right" and "left". When one gets too much power, results differ, but are ugly.

(PS. I think I just hijacked my own thread!)

 

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July 24, 2010 8:52:44 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Lots of people cheat. In fact statistics show its probably the majority. What it comes down to is that Tiger is rich and a public figure, hence the jealousy and hypocrisy. Said jealous hypocrites need to get off their high horse and realize that they are human same as the rest of us. And when you feed the monster, you are only hurting. You think all this tabloid attention is good for his kids? Are we absolved of the responsibility we deserve for paying attention to this stuff? I think not.

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July 24, 2010 8:57:15 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

(PS. I think I just hijacked my own thread!)

lol, yes, you did. Trust me, I can go on about the evils of corporate business all day, especially compared against the ideals of "Less Government" that so many American's fought and died for. As of the last 20 or so years, all their deaths have been in vain. It's a slap in the face to our own founding fathers and the revolutionaries, the Rebels, that founded this nation. Lest the common people have forgotten, we are a nation built on rebellion against the powerful and the tyrannical. I'd definitely call many, Many, MANY aspects of our lives today as being "tyrannically controlled". I should probably save all my thoughts on this for another thread though

 

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July 24, 2010 10:34:11 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

To me, the most misunderstood phrase of the declaration of independence was the pursuit of happiness. Jefferson himself said you have the right to pursue happiness. It is up to you to catch it. Let this thread die and perhaps spawn a better one.

 

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July 24, 2010 11:00:30 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting WaitingOnTheGame,
Lots of people cheat. In fact statistics how its probably the majority. What it comes down to is that Tiger is rich and a public figure, hence the jealousy and hypocrisy. Said jealous hypocrites need to get off their high horse and realize that they are human same as the rest of us. And when you feed the monster, you are only hurting. You think all this tabloid attention is good for his kids? Are we absolved of the responsibility we deserve for paying attention to this stuff? I think not.

While I agree on many levels. Tiger put himself out as a pinnacle of virtue. He made a lot of money being "A good guy". While I agree his fall was harsh, he set it up himself. To say his wife married him for his money/fame is a bit contrite. She was well off herself and didn't need him to be comfortable in any way. Did she chase fame? Maybe, but she certainly did not need the money any  more than Gisele Bundchen did.

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July 25, 2010 1:39:18 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Blaze of Glory,

Quoting WaitingOnTheGame, reply 31Lots of people cheat. In fact statistics how its probably the majority. What it comes down to is that Tiger is rich and a public figure, hence the jealousy and hypocrisy. Said jealous hypocrites need to get off their high horse and realize that they are human same as the rest of us. And when you feed the monster, you are only hurting. You think all this tabloid attention is good for his kids? Are we absolved of the responsibility we deserve for paying attention to this stuff? I think not.

While I agree on many levels. Tiger put himself out as a pinnacle of virtue. He made a lot of money being "A good guy". While I agree his fall was harsh, he set it up himself. To say his wife married him for his money/fame is a bit contrite. She was well off herself and didn't need him to be comfortable in any way. Did she chase fame? Maybe, but she certainly did not need the money any  more than Gisele Bundchen did.

 

Are you kidding me? How did he market himself as a pinnacle of virtue? So far as I know all he ever did was be the best golfer on the PGA tour. I never heard of him claiming to be an amazing person. He is human, that's it, no better or worse than you or I.

Money is status; supermodels don't marry bums from the street. Its pretty much indisputable that people get together because of who they are superficially, as there is no state of being other than a superficial one. I'm not going to feel bad for an attractive woman because her husband plays the field. The only reason she even got him in the first place is because of looking a certain way. Everyone plays the field, even if we dont act on it. People are bad and they are good, never either one in its entirety. We all lie. We all have impulses, though some feel them more strongly then others. So I can do without the self righteous condescension of the circle jerking masses towards whomever they've chosen as their villain of the day.

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July 25, 2010 9:24:23 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

The only reason she even got him in the first place is because of looking a certain way.

You're single, aren't you?

With an attitude towards women like that you can expect to stay that way.

[there's some self-righteous condescension for you]....

Woods' only claim to fame [other than being a randy prick] was to stick it up those US PGA 'supremacists' that were still trying to keep 'their' game/club white.

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July 25, 2010 9:34:03 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Jafo,

The only reason she even got him in the first place is because of looking a certain way.


You're single, aren't you?

With an attitude towards women like that you can expect to stay that way.

[there's some self-righteous condescension for you]....

Woods' only claim to fame [other than being a randy prick] was to stick it up those US PGA 'supremacists' that were still trying to keep 'their' game/club white.

I had that attitude for a long time, never stopped me from getting laid more often than a floor board...lol. When you have those views and opinions you just have to keep them to your-self when you're around the ladies and it's all good. I'm sure we've all spotted some gold digging sluts out there before. Not saying men don't do it too, they do, just not at anywhere near the rate of women.

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July 25, 2010 9:48:08 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

When you have those views and opinions you just have to keep them to your-self when you're around the ladies and it's all good.

It's even better when they're kept to yourself, period.

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July 27, 2010 3:13:06 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Jafo, I dont understand where you are coming from. I have an opinion and its certainly a valid one. As far as me being single, yeah I am single, my last GF broke up with me last month. I do hate women, but I hate men in equal measure. Like them both too, but for me there's always both. The point I was making(Which you of course misinterpreted as blanket misogyny) is that life is a game, and for the most part people try to maximize the cards they are dealt. If a woman(or man) can get with a successful man/woman or a poor one, he/she will usually go for the person with the money. This actually does apply more to women as for a long time sexism was such that women were status objects and judged only by their looks, and the way to succeed was to latch on to a successful man. They still haven't quite come all the way back from this perception. This is painfully obvious to me, but apparently you may have needed a little education on the matter.


And speaking of the self righteous condescension(me and you), here you are hating tiger again. This stuff really does make me sick. People have problems. And then there's this mass of idiots; who while ostensibly pretending to be good people and caring about there own kind....... are always looking for a villain. Its usually someone famous; and a person that they really dont know much about. They proceed to group up and bash said person in untold legions. That is truly sick. This celebrity fixation is making the United States woefully inefficient, as well as being another disgusting example of moral hypocrisy.

Also, since you wanted to get into that........ what is your current relationship status? How do you feel about said status?

 

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July 27, 2010 7:59:02 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Also, since you wanted to get into that........ what is your current relationship status? How do you feel about said status?

Married...June 5, 1982

Still Married.

A "celebrity sick fixation making United States woefully inefficient" bears no relevance to me....I'm 10 thousand miles away.  Woods is an idiot who can't keep it in his pants...but probably a hero to many because....

...he couldn't keep it in his pants.

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July 27, 2010 1:50:18 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

It is very fortunate that people's personal wealth has no bearing on whether they are charged with crimes or not. Justice is blind. In this world, you can't just hire a team of expensive lawyers to shield you from the full force of the law, whether you are stealing billions in taxpayer money or going on pedophilic excursions overseas...

 

...oh wait, I'm sorry, it seems I got my realities confused again. My bad.

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July 27, 2010 2:00:45 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Egg shaped??

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July 27, 2010 9:38:56 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting MagicwillNZ,
It is very fortunate that people's personal wealth has no bearing on whether they are charged with crimes or not. Justice is blind. In this world, you can't just hire a team of expensive lawyers to shield you from the full force of the law, whether you are stealing billions in taxpayer money or going on pedophilic excursions overseas...

 

...oh wait, I'm sorry, it seems I got my realities confused again. My bad.

Thanks for getting us on track again.

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July 27, 2010 10:44:08 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Money...money...money. It's all about the Almighty dollar. Everyone who said money buys you out of trouble is right, it does and in a very big way. Roman Polanski, The Madoff dude and now this Epstein freak. If I did it, not having a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of I'd be jailed faster than it takes to blink an eye. Prominent people don't have to worry about crap like that. They are the real pariahs of society, not urban campers like myself. Since November 2009 when the bottom of the world fell out I'm getting by with barely enough for each day. Fortunately I know enough about these machines to earn a dollar here and there and all self taught. I ain't starvin' and I don't lack for a place to lay my head at night but shit like this...stand in line Webgizmo...you may put the bullet between his eyes but I'll cut his nuts off and feed 'em to him. AND...I'll do it in broad daylight and walk away a happy camper knowing there's one less sick M F'er walking the Earth. There is one thing I am grateful for though...when it is his turn to push up the daisies how will he face The Almighty...hmmm?

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July 27, 2010 11:33:36 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Uvah,
There is one thing I am grateful for though...when it is his turn to push up the daisies how will he face The Almighty...hmmm?

It's this sort of sentiment that makes me wish I still had a religion.

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July 28, 2010 12:04:40 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting MagicwillNZ,



Quoting Uvah,
reply 44
There is one thing I am grateful for though...when it is his turn to push up the daisies how will he face The Almighty...hmmm?


It's this sort of sentiment that makes me wish I still had a religion.

That is a related, but different third rail, for another topic.

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July 28, 2010 4:48:30 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting MagicwillNZ,



Quoting Uvah,
reply 44
There is one thing I am grateful for though...when it is his turn to push up the daisies how will he face The Almighty...hmmm?


It's this sort of sentiment that makes me wish I still had a religion.

Trust me brother, no you don't. Brains, like women, are much better when their dirty..lol  <---- double pun there. Brain Washed...needs to be dirty, and dirty women (being much more fun)..lol get it?

I know, I know....somebody stop me!!!

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July 28, 2010 9:11:18 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I know, I know....somebody stop me!!!

Jafo picks up a rock.....

 

 

 

 

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July 28, 2010 10:14:20 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Jafo,

I know, I know....somebody stop me!!!


Jafo picks up a rock.....

Batter Up?

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July 28, 2010 10:44:25 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting markieness,
Egg shaped??

That was a yolk, markiness....but the simile was...scrambled.

 

Quoting Raven X,
Quoting Jafo, reply 48
I know, I know....somebody stop me!!!


Jafo picks up a rock.....



Batter Up?

Pray for a no hitter.

 

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