So, you thought we played by the same rules?

By on July 21, 2010 10:44:06 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

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This jerk should be on top of the "remove from humanity list" but the lawyers are good. That's right, he got less than other assholes selling drugs to your kids or stealing your car.

"Some day, and that day may never come, I will call upon you to do a service for me. But until that day, consider this justice a gift on my daughter's wedding day."

We are all equal, just some of us are more equal than others....

 

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July 21, 2010 10:53:54 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Pity...usually it only takes a short stay in prison for a rock spider to get 'real' justice.

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July 21, 2010 10:54:22 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

That guy deserves no less than a bullet in the head...period. And I'd be more than happy to volunteer!

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July 22, 2010 12:09:03 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

As much as I would like to pull this guys asshole through his nose, I was taught that is not my decision to make. to quote some Clive Barker, "he is in is own Hell and quite untouchable" If there is justice he will be taken care of by some gut rotting cancer and enjoy the pain of a thousand years!

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July 22, 2010 9:55:02 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Money is everything....... this is news?....... No wants the truth or "justice", people just want money. So many people have scored huge off of deals like these..... it goes both ways. The woman who accused Kobe Bryant of rape scored huge, and who knows what happened there. I don't want to diminish sexual abuse or the problems it causes,  but who knows what this guy actually did. Victims are not always victims.

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July 22, 2010 10:57:44 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Victims are not always victims.

Er...by definition [dictionary....any one you like] 'victims' are always 'victims'. ... Spell checker

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July 22, 2010 11:10:58 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Money is everything....... this is news?....... No wants the truth or "justice", people just want money.

I just became a nobody.

Giz... You'll have to stand on line for that privilege.

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July 22, 2010 11:14:03 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Pedophiles should have their rectums seared shut. Then be fed nothing but soluble fiber!

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July 23, 2010 12:45:57 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Jafo,

Victims are not always victims.
Er...by definition [dictionary....any one you like] 'victims' are always 'victims'. ...

 

THE DICTIONARY IS A CONSPIRACY!!

no but seriously, what I meant, and what i thought I got across; is that the people who play victims are not always victims.

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July 23, 2010 1:52:21 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Money is power, and justice is power...by cross definition, money is justice and with it you have the power to buy your way out of anything. OJ got away with Murder and we're worried about some foreign underage prostitutes? You guys would Hate Bangkok, Thailand, most of Asia for that matter, not to mention anywhere in South America from Mexico on down. There's a huge world trade for under age prostitutes of all ages, races, sexes, creeds, and colors. Thousands of people, both successful men And women, travel to other countries for the sole purpose of having sex with under age prostitutes. Is it right? No, not really, but it's happen in Vast Numbers all over the world. Would everyone still be bitching and moaning if the prostitutes were 17? Or would they be saying "Charge them as Adults?".

True, this guy is a sicko and probably a god's honest real pedo, still, it's going on all over the world. If you choose to look at history or not, some of the worlds greatest cultures not only allowed but also promoted pedophilia and homosexuality. Just look at the Spartans and Trojans. In both cultures young boys were given to older warriors to be trained and often used as slaves. The warriors were often even encouraged to rape their charges as it was done to most of them as children. Was it right? I don't really think it's our place to judge. They were the worlds greatest warriors of their time so they must have been doing something right. The basis of our form of Democratic government comes from the foundations of freedom and republic passed down from Ancient Greece. Some of the worlds most respected ancient minds, Homer, Aristotle, Plato....all homosexual pedophiles by today's standards.

Humans are fucked up animals, plain and simple. Money and power go hand in hand and a rich individual can buy their way out of Any jam, whether it's murder or pedophilia. The only way to fight it is to get rich yourself and then try to fight it. Money can only be fought with money, greed with greed. Until the time comes that money can't buy "justice" then this type of thing will keep happening over and over again. If this doesn't truly prove that money is the root of all evil then I don't know what does.

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July 23, 2010 2:31:16 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Raven X,
Money is power, and justice is power...by cross definition, money is justice and with it you have the power to buy your way out of anything. OJ got away with Murder and we're worried about some foreign underage prostitutes? You guys would Hate Bangkok, Thailand, most of Asia for that matter, not to mention anywhere in South America from Mexico on down. There's a huge world trade for under age prostitutes of all ages, races, sexes, creeds, and colors. Thousands of people, both successful men And women, travel to other countries for the sole purpose of having sex with under age prostitutes. Is it right? No, not really, but it's happen in Vast Numbers all over the world. Would everyone still be bitching and moaning if the prostitutes were 17? Or would they be saying "Charge them as Adults?".

True, this guy is a sicko and probably a god's honest real pedo, still, it's going on all over the world. If you choose to look at history or not, some of the worlds greatest cultures not only allowed but also promoted pedophilia and homosexuality. Just look at the Spartans and Trojans. In both cultures young boys were given to older warriors to be trained and often used as slaves. The warriors were often even encouraged to rape their charges as it was done to most of them as children. Was it right? I don't really think it's our place to judge. They were the worlds greatest warriors of their time so they must have been doing something right. The basis of our form of Democratic government comes from the foundations of freedom and republic passed down from Ancient Greece. Some of the worlds most respected ancient minds, Homer, Aristotle, Plato....all homosexual pedophiles by today's standards.

Humans are fucked up animals, plain and simple. Money and power go hand in hand and a rich individual can buy their way out of Any jam, whether it's murder or pedophilia. The only way to fight it is to get rich yourself and then try to fight it. Money can only be fought with money, greed with greed. Until the time comes that money can't buy "justice" then this type of thing will keep happening over and over again. If this doesn't truly prove that money is the root of all evil then I don't know what does.

 

couldn't have said it better myself. I especially agree that judging the past based on our cultural values today is an exercise in pretentious futility.

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July 23, 2010 2:53:28 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Raven X,
I don't really think it's our place to judge. They were the worlds greatest warriors of their time so they must have been doing something right.
You can only judge another culture  based on their own values. Such relativity, altough necessary, makes impossible to pass (fair) judgement from a historic point of view. Athens' women were little more than objects. Spartan women could have lands and walk freely in the streets (between other things). Or the ancient democracy being only for a few, the ones considered citizens.

Money is power? Well, why do you think that the politicians prostitute for? Candy? Certainly some types of actions, imho, imply to lose any "rights" as human beings. Depending of the individual, a redemption chance could be allowed, as circumstances can "force" some people to do some nasty things. Pay to get free is no redemption by any means and only encourages "Money makes right.".

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July 23, 2010 3:50:34 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

The only thing sometimes that separates them from us is they acted on the thoughts and we said no.. To man acting on it.. yet we will all stand before the judge and answer for even the thoughts. But money does talk.. and even being a actor or actress where one would serve 3+ months some get 14 or so days. You best hold on.. this world is not getting better. Me I have faith in Jesus..  

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July 23, 2010 9:28:42 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Raven X,
Money is power, and justice is power...by cross definition, money is justice and with it you have the power to buy your way out of anything. OJ got away with Murder and we're worried about some foreign underage prostitutes? You guys would Hate Bangkok, Thailand, most of Asia for that matter, not to mention anywhere in South America from Mexico on down. There's a huge world trade for under age prostitutes of all ages, races, sexes, creeds, and colors. Thousands of people, both successful men And women, travel to other countries for the sole purpose of having sex with under age prostitutes. Is it right? No, not really, but it's happen in Vast Numbers all over the world. Would everyone still be bitching and moaning if the prostitutes were 17? Or would they be saying "Charge them as Adults?".

True, this guy is a sicko and probably a god's honest real pedo, still, it's going on all over the world. If you choose to look at history or not, some of the worlds greatest cultures not only allowed but also promoted pedophilia and homosexuality. Just look at the Spartans and Trojans. In both cultures young boys were given to older warriors to be trained and often used as slaves. The warriors were often even encouraged to rape their charges as it was done to most of them as children. Was it right? I don't really think it's our place to judge. They were the worlds greatest warriors of their time so they must have been doing something right. The basis of our form of Democratic government comes from the foundations of freedom and republic passed down from Ancient Greece. Some of the worlds most respected ancient minds, Homer, Aristotle, Plato....all homosexual pedophiles by today's standards.

Humans are fucked up animals, plain and simple. Money and power go hand in hand and a rich individual can buy their way out of Any jam, whether it's murder or pedophilia. The only way to fight it is to get rich yourself and then try to fight it. Money can only be fought with money, greed with greed. Until the time comes that money can't buy "justice" then this type of thing will keep happening over and over again. If this doesn't truly prove that money is the root of all evil then I don't know what does.

The only thing I can agree with you is a quote from, I believe, "Dune". "Control the courts and the coin, leave the rest to the rabble."

So because it is ok somewhere else did it, it is ok for you? I have talked to a good friend who loves Thailand, who loved it minus the underage girls. That alone is reason for me not to go. I have a wife who was abused and a daughter, who I  believe is valuable without sex or sales. Your arguement is the same as "yes, I pay them crap, but it was more crap then they had!". When they ask for better wages, you would say, "Move the jobs to those who are more grateful, Screw you!" So they have to sell their daughters or even sons. So what?

Raven, I sense a total "stir the pot" here. First off, anyone on these forums willing to sell their daughters? To what the Greeks did, geez, women could not vote in America until 1920. So if someone can kill someone anywhere in the world for whatever reason, I should be able to as well? Your arguments are rather shallow.

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July 23, 2010 9:45:07 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

 

couldn't have said it better myself. I especially agree that judging the past based on our cultural values today is an exercise in pretentious futility.

yep, two or three underage girls totally deserved it! Tramps!

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July 23, 2010 9:49:07 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting WaitingOnTheGame,
Money is everything....... this is news?....... No wants the truth or "justice", people just want money. So many people have scored huge off of deals like these..... it goes both ways. The woman who accused Kobe Bryant of rape scored huge, and who knows what happened there. I don't want to diminish sexual abuse or the problems it causes,  but who knows what this guy actually did. Victims are not always victims.

Yep, those girls wanted it, they needed it. He was just supplying a service. Surely any famous athelete should be able to bang anyone without any thought of what could happen. Oops, Tiger Woods.

 

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July 23, 2010 11:17:45 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

If you choose to look at history or not, some of the worlds greatest cultures not only allowed but also promoted pedophilia and homosexuality.

Please don't equate one with the other by association.

One of those two is an accepted and welcome group within society welcome here without reservation, and opinion to the contrary is not acceptable.

The other is not....

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July 24, 2010 12:15:04 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

OJ got away with Murder and we're worried about some foreign underage prostitutes?


OJ may have gotten away with murder, but getting away with murder gave him the false sense that he was golden, and now he rots away in prison for stealing his own stuff!  He's broke, the state of California claims he owes $1.44 million in past due taxes, and he's discovered he's not so golden after all.

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July 24, 2010 12:47:42 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Jafo,

If you choose to look at history or not, some of the worlds greatest cultures not only allowed but also promoted pedophilia and homosexuality.


Please don't equate one with the other by association.

One of those two is an accepted and welcome group within society welcome here without reservation, and opinion to the contrary is not acceptable.

The other is not....

You seem to my small mind to have a bit of a double negative there. So....

Ok, I am slow, but what you are saying is homosexuality is ok on the forums, but pedophilia is not. Correct? If so, I am totally ok with that. I just want to be clear as just another f***in observer.

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July 24, 2010 1:04:17 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

homosexuality is ok on the forums, but pedophilia is not. Correct? If so, I am totally ok with that.

Correct, - I'm glad you're 'totally OK with that', however, were you not it would make no difference....

Stardock's forums do not allow discrimination between people of different race, religion or sex.

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July 24, 2010 1:18:08 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Hey, no harm, no foul. I am not advocating my thoughts, just clarifying yours. I have a "broad tent" view. However, if Stardock's view was

Correct, - I'm glad you're 'totally OK with that', however, were you not it would make no difference....

kind of makes it sound like if I am against pedophilia, my opinion would not matter... just saying..

No need to argue, I understand your point. A little contrarian on a Friday night

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July 24, 2010 1:25:55 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Wow...um Blaze, I think you took my very logical comment (of course that's my Opinion that it's logical) WAY Out Of Context. Way WAY out of context. I'm truly sorry that one of your loved ones was abused, but you're very reaction right here is what scares me the most. You have complete and total Bigotry towards anything that would even remotely come close to the idea that there Are In Fact many willing underage girls in the world having Sex, right at this very second, as I type this right now. Can we control that? No. Are all these girls willing underage prostitutes? No. Yes, I think that's tragedy and No I'm not even remotely ok with the idea. Still, you're reaction is extremely Over-Reacting.

I know you to be a rather intelligent person and poster here on the forums, so, I'm going to give you a little hypothetical situation here and show you things from a different perspective.

You're a father and you and your family live here in Florida. You have a son who's 17 years old. Your son has a girlfriend who's 15 years old and in the same high school as he is, though she's closer to 16. Whether you know it and are ok with it or not, they Are having sex. Well, your son has a birthday and he's now 18 years old. Is he going to stop having sex with his girlfriend? No, no matter what you say or do, if they want to have sex they'll find a way, and they do.

The girls father finds out about it and has proof through letters that your son and his daughter have had sex. He takes those notes to the states attorneys office, and though they know eventual after fighting the conviction for a while, he maybe be able to get off the list with by-laws, they still press charges anyway knowing they'll be able to make it stick, at least for a while. The girls father keeps on pressing and pressing and finally your son is picked up and arrested, charged as an adult, for having sex with a minor. Your family doesn't have the money for a decent defense lawyer and your son gets a public defender. He's railroaded through the legal system and after all is said and done your son is now a registered sex offender. For the rest of his life no one will hire him and everyone will look at him like he's some kind of sicko pedophile just like the guy in the OP's original post here.

About ten years later, a woman you don't even know, who was abused as a child finds out she's terminally ill with cancer. It might even be said that having gone through abuse as a child this woman is unstable as well. Well, she decides that before it's her time to go she's going to do the world a favor and take out some child molesting scum balls with her to prevent what happened to her as child from happening to another poor child. God won't mind. In fact it might even guarantee her place in heaven. She goes out and buys a gun. Looking on the internet she comes across your son on the registry database. The picture she see's is of your son now, he's 28, but it says on the site that the crime he committed was on a child under 16. Obviously this guy must be some kind of sicko pervert, right? Of course he is, so she's taking him down with her.

Your son is getting ready for work, he works day labor because no-one will hire him and give him a chance. He has to work with bums and crack heads and homeless people doing the dreg jobs that even illegal immigrants won't take. One morning he's leaving for work, walking outside to the driveway to get in his car. Here comes the woman stepping out of the shadows. Without a word she raises the gun to the back of your son's skull and she pulls the trigger. His brains paint the car window. Then she yells out, "That was for what was done to me you child molesting f*ck!!!" and then she puts the gun to her temple and pulls the trigger. Your elderly neighbor was out watering her flowers and saw the whole thing, but was unable to do anything to stop it as she was 75 years old and it happened so fast.

Your son, your only child, who had never otherwise broken the law, who had never hurt anyone his entire life, is dead. The woman who killed him is dead and unable to pay for her crime of murder. How do you feel now? Are you upset that your son was just killed? Or was it just another child molesting sicko taken out of society?

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That very situation I just described, Almost happened to a friend of mine whom I grew up with. He's not a sex offender anymore, luckily his family picked up some money later in life and he ended up marrying the girl he got in trouble for which had a little to do with him getting off the registration list, but you can still look him up and find him online.

[Name removed -Admin]

 Last I checked even though he's officially not a sex offender anymore he was still on the website with his address listed because no-one's gotten around to removing him from the site yet.

Before he was able to get his life sentence of a label removed though he had two different sets of parents try to frame him for molesting their children just to try to get him off the streets. Both times are documented and part of his official criminal history and both times he had to prove he was no-where near the children in question. Anyone curious enough can contact the Lake Counties Sheriffs office and get copies of his reports. They are public record (though be prepared to pay for photocopies) and you can check just to make sure I'm not making this shit up. It's happened.

There are a lot of normal, innocent men, out there who have had the sex offender tag put on them for doing the very same thing almost every single male on the planet has done. People who want to have sex don't stop just because they hit some "magic number" and become an adult. Anyone who went through high school can tell you that if a girl wants to have sex she's going to have sex and nothing anyone can do or say is going to stop her. Some girls though, when they get caught, they don't want to look like sluts so they lie about it and say the guy raped them. That happens all the time too and almost happened to my wife's uncle.

I'm NOT trying to defend the guy in the OP's post. He's a real sicko and a monster. If you read the article though you'll see that the main reason he isn't facing further charges though is because the Girls...the prostitutes...are taking Cash Settlements...by Choice, of over a Million Dollars Each. If they were Really interested in pursuing JUSTICE, if they weren't there On Purpose and knowing Full Well what they were doing, THEY WOULDN'T TAKE THE MONEY. They'd see too it that the charges were followed through with to prevent other poor children and families from going through what this monster does. They aren't doing that though...are they? No....they're taking the money and walking away laughing (or crying into the nice big pile o cash). If Anyone, Even The STATE, was interested in seeing more "Justice" done charges would be pressed and this sicko would be going back to jail...but that's not happening either.

Fair? No, not in the slightest. So now, going along with my hypothetical situation (which in fact has happened and will happen again) we've got a Real sicko on the streets ready, willing, and able, to offend again. And on top of that your only child, the child you raised and loved more then life, is dead because of a poor deranged woman who was abused as a child and has always carried a chip on her shoulder ever since. who wasn't strong enough to seek justice and then be able to put it past them. (NO I'm NOT saying all people who are abused turn out that way).

The world isn't fair, at all. People who deserve punishment walk free, while those who deserve to be set free are punished. While people's futures and families are being destroyed by laws that don't adequately work to stop the real monsters. On top of this we DO have people who have been damaged by abuse who are pushing for harder and harder laws because they've never been able to mentally heal over what happened to them. Because obviously people like your son were/are sick and need to be put down whenever possible, right?

I'd really like to see you put that great intelligence you show in other areas of the forums to work here. Yes, child abuse is horrid, but not all so called "children" are victims and not all so called "monsters" are monsters. The guy from the OP's post is a monster, yes, no one's saying he's not. You can't not admit though that your comments here and your perceived view is tainted by personal experience, and because of that your view is blinded to any possibility that the law can't be wrong or that all "children" aren't pure and innocent. They're not. It happens. It's a sad fact of life, just like the other sad fact of life is that the system is so f*cked up that innocent people get labels and have their lives ruined, or have even been Killed just for being "accused" of being a child molester.

I promise you, my friend, what I have written here is not meant to offend you in Any way. I do indeed respect your intelligence as a poster here and as a person, but for fucks sake man, open your eyes and look at the world around you, please, because opinions that are scarred like yours can do more damage to the already f*cked up system than good. I am sorry that bad things have happened to those you love. But your situation is not the same situation that's happened to every other child on Earth.

Since we're sharing personal experiences though. When I was little I was abused. I had a baby sitter who would lock me in a closet for hours on end and when I had to stay there at night her 17 year old daughter would feel me up because we slept in the same bed. I was 6 or 7 at the time. When my Mom found out what was going on she didn't press charges....she went down there with an iron skillet and beat the shit out of the mom and the daughter. When mom got done both of them we're bloody. They were alive, but they were bloody, really bloody. We never heard from them again, hmm, imagine that.

I consider my-self to be a well adjusted person usually. Admittedly though because of my health problems and medications I might be lying if I said I was "stable" all the time now. The meds make me depressed sometimes. How-ever I'm not mentally scarred from the abuse I went through. I've never given it any serious thought unless I was making a conscious effort to recall the memory. It's a sad fact of my past as a child but I've never let it bother me or affect my life. I've never felt the need to cry about it, nor have I ever felt the need to go out and molest a child or kill a child molester. Also, because of a stupid drug charge, I was in Prison with Real child molesters. I was also in prison with more then a few young guys who were technically child molesters though personally I didn't think they had any business at all being in prison or jail, much less being considered sex offenders.

Bad shit happens to people and it's up to each of us as individuals on how we handle the events, either good or bad, of our lives. It's up to each of us to find our own moral compass regardless of what we may or may not have been taught to use. It's also up to each of us to consider what is and isn't right, regardless of what Man's Written Laws may say. Human nature comes first, Man's Written Laws come second and often they go into direct conflict with man's nature. As a rational and intelligent person you have to be able to realize that.

 

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July 24, 2010 1:30:48 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Jafo,

If you choose to look at history or not, some of the worlds greatest cultures not only allowed but also promoted pedophilia and homosexuality.


Please don't equate one with the other by association.

One of those two is an accepted and welcome group within society welcome here without reservation, and opinion to the contrary is not acceptable.

The other is not....

That's true Jafo and you're right in saying that one is, by societies views, Ok while the other is not. It IS a FACT though that it happens and that gay people commit the crime just as often (if not more so) as straight people do. Just look at the Catholic Church. You don't usually hear about priests molesting choir "girls" do you? Normally when it's on the news it's multiple choir boys. It's a fact. Just because one is a crime and one isn't you can't pretend that one isn't happening. It is.

Personally, I don't have a problem with gay people, but I DO have a problem with religious figures sticking it to little boys, whether they're men or women. But I'm not blinded to crimes that are happening because one of the offenders happens to be gay or to be a powerful religious figure.

 

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July 24, 2010 2:04:19 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Blaze of Glory,

 
couldn't have said it better myself. I especially agree that judging the past based on our cultural values today is an exercise in pretentious futility.



yep, two or three underage girls totally deserved it! Tramps!

 

I'm just saying that there are a ton of societal injustices happening today, and that our current views are not universally the right ones, they are just the predominant views of the society. I personally believe that adults engaging in sexual acts with children is wrong, although I'm not sure the age adulthood should be 18.......... regardless; the point is that the only reason I believe this is because my society believes it. Cultures have different values.

Quoting Blaze of Glory,

Quoting WaitingOnTheGame, reply 4Money is everything....... this is news?....... No wants the truth or "justice", people just want money. So many people have scored huge off of deals like these..... it goes both ways. The woman who accused Kobe Bryant of rape scored huge, and who knows what happened there. I don't want to diminish sexual abuse or the problems it causes,  but who knows what this guy actually did. Victims are not always victims.

Yep, those girls wanted it, they needed it. He was just supplying a service. Surely any famous athelete should be able to bang anyone without any thought of what could happen. Oops, Tiger Woods.

 

Tiger Woods got a terrible reaction from our pathetic tabloid obsessed society. People who follow that disgust me. And his wife is not a victim. She married him for his money and she divorced him for his money. She was hot and she opened her legs, and now shes one of the richest women in the world.

And where did I say that any underage girls deserved to be sexually abused? What I was saying is we live in a world full of a lot of liars who will do anything to get money, and when charges are made, I don't always believe them. I mean sure, he probably did do some kinky stuff. But what if he didn't? Much stranger things have happened then a guy getting framed for something he didn't do.

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July 24, 2010 2:14:05 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Admin, why remove a name that is Part of Public Record? The States keep criminal records for just that thing and if need be I can have my friend personally give the Ok for me to use his case and precident. What gives with the censorship? Anyone has the right in this country to look up someone's criminal history.

I'm not trying to be obstinate, I promise. I only bring this up because it literally hurts the information in the post if I can't prove to people by using Real and Legally Opened and Public Facts and Records. Please let me put my friends name back up. People can look up ex sex offenders all day long if they want, that's what the registrations are for.

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July 24, 2010 2:19:35 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Raven X ...explained via PM ....

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