this is possible but would make (in the actual setting) other problems

lets say combat speed and move are separate

so i have 2 move and 5 attack speed

i am able to attack FIVE times with no counterattack?

ok, without moving, cause i moved in the start but that would be SURELY gamebreaking

i mean i run in with   whatever high attack no def unit and throw 5 attacks all over the enemies without any drawback

could lead to a lot of problems, ofc your idea could work with some other settings like a fixed unique attack (no more attack speed) and few other settings

i still think counteratttack like in kings bounty is the easiest, from this beta to a good gameplay

OK am i missing something or can you not use magic in combat yet? i had burn unit,  fireball, lighting blast, hurl stone, and some other fire spell and i could'nt cast any spells at all in combat.

But if its automatic it has me cast burn unit every turn.  WTF

It's only a question of balance. Right now we have units with 40 attack 2 defense, which is beyond "WTF". But if damage numbers get more reasonable in relation to defense, it won't be that much of an issue - since damage rolls are based on rolling damage vs defense.

The current problem is kiting. How it's fixed, whether counter-attack or forbidding moving after attacking or whatever else is mostly a matter of preference and balance. There's no "one way" to fix it, there are several possibilities.

I preferred the way Final Fantasy Tactics handled combat, which also had the advantage of limited stack size.  Not really seeing anything thusfar that could become the bane of the superstack.

archery is something that I think should work like AOW.  Ranged attacks in general worked well in that.

I think this is WAY TOO COMPLEX.

Ready attack is something that shouldn't be seen by the player, even though it may exist. If you're standing and attacked, you retaliate. If you didn't move on the previous turn, you may gain initiative, but you shouldn't have to decide of an action so you'll be able to strike first if attacked. Your units aren't that dumb that they need an order to attack people who run into them?

Charge should be automated.

Counter charge sounds like a pain as it disrupts the clear flow of control of which unit moves when.

I'd also like to point everyone to this thread started by Frogboy.

Separating moment and attack would help allot. And make it so that once you attack, you can't move any more.

This way you could still have a high attack speed unit and it would kick ass, just like Sauron  . But after he is done desemating your enemies troops he still has to stand there for a turn. And 1 movment troops still get to attack.

Counter-attack should be an ability that you can teach your troops, or maybe just high enough training gives the tropps this ability. All Soverigns have it, and mobs where it makes sence.

If everyone and there dog gets to counter-attack then it have to be limited to the first attack or something.

I should like to mention, that if the tactical battles are supposed to be very similar to MOM there are a couple of elements to MOM that seem to have been left out that match up with some of the concerns:

1. In MOM all units DID counter attack. They counter attacked as many times as they were attacked in melee. Lest you think this was overpowered, the main advantage of attacking was the order in which attacks happened. Additionally, there were a few abilities in the game that allowed no counter attack.

2. The main importance in MOM tactical battles was the order in which attacks happened within one round of combat. when one unit attacked another, all special attacks and abilities happened first and did casualties, and then the regular combat happened, and then after taking casualties the defender got to hit back. The order was very specific so breath weapons first, then gaze attacks, then first strike, then thrown weapons etc. One of the main items of importance though was most special attacks only worked when you were the attacker.

The tactical combat in MOM had quite a bit of depth actually but the depth didn't come from the movement system as much as how abilities played out against each other. Zombies were horrible but cheap and completely immune to illusionary soldiers. Those illusionary soldiers cut right through regular units though because they ignored defense values etc. Movement types could be especially important since non-flying units could not initiate combat rounds with flying units unless they had a ranged or throwing weapons, phased units could walk through city walls etc.

If you can get your hands on a MOM manual or especially the strategy guide, there's a lot of good, in depth ideas in there, that are explained in extensive detail. One of my favorite parts of the tactical game was the huge range of abilities and how they played out against each other.