Shogun II Total War Announced

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June 3, 2010 10:04:44 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Tasunke,
right ... but I have to get SOME version of Empire Total War before getting Napoleon right? or can I buy/install Napoleon as a standalone?

Napoleon is a standalone !!!

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June 3, 2010 11:05:48 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

I hope they don't include the Geisha unit with this version. The unit was way to powerful. I have to have an army of shinobi(s) following all my faction hiers and top generals to minimize the damage of any Geisha.  Plus with a Geisha you didn't need to worry about training up your own ninjas just race to Geisha tech and then wipe out all the opposing faction heirs - game over. If they do include them I hope the tone them down to say a  mid level ninja or something.

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June 3, 2010 12:27:27 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

However ... the endless Chinese ... how can you fight so many?

Ninjas and samurai, how else?

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June 3, 2010 12:34:33 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Soo this is the one where they go console with a dumbed down version and give the PC users, to their horror, the same version and act suprrised and hurt when the PC users throw it back in their faces?

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June 3, 2010 1:25:15 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Steam 

 

http://static.sega-europe.com/newsletters/shogun2/UK/index.html

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June 3, 2010 2:45:02 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Damn, so they're going to have Steamworks in all their games from now on?

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June 3, 2010 3:14:00 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Aractain,
Soo this is the one where they go console with a dumbed down version and give the PC users, to their horror, the same version and act suprrised and hurt when the PC users throw it back in their faces?

"It's the pirates' fault!"

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June 4, 2010 1:25:11 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Aractain,
Soo this is the one where they go console with a dumbed down version and give the PC users, to their horror, the same version and act surprised and hurt when the PC users throw it back in their faces?

I'd be sad as hell if they do that. "Shogun: Total War" , the first one of course, was one of the best strategy games ever in my opinion. As far as the new one goes, as long as it has the same features (give or take a few tweaks, I.E. Geisha) as the original and they Don't Remove Any Features I'll be happy.

If you compare the original Shogun:TW to Empire:TW, Empire definitely is far more complex. That how-ever, doesn't make the original Shogun any less of a masterpiece of strategy gaming. If they don't gimp up the game-play of the original I'll most likely buy it. If they radically change it and dumb it down I'll avoid it like the plague. At this point it's just something to "keep an eye on". Hopefully it'll turn out great like it's forefather and namesake.

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June 4, 2010 2:55:35 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Aractain,
Soo this is the one where they go console with a dumbed down version and give the PC users, to their horror, the same version and act suprrised and hurt when the PC users throw it back in their faces?

Supreme Commander flashbacks?? I think you are right to worry...

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June 4, 2010 3:00:04 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Japan tried to invade Korea in the 1590s and this isn't too far outside the scope of the game for it to be included as an expansion. Also, China tried to help Korea militarily in the invasion so Chinese and Japanese troops did fight during this time.

Empire tried to do too many things and so it over-extended itself. Shogun and Medieval were great at the time because they worked well. Napoleon succeeds in both areas because gameplay, dipomacy and AI were focused on at the expense of scale and this is a good thing. Shogun is clearly moving in the same direction and for that, I'm glad.

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June 4, 2010 3:04:39 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

The first game i ever played was Shogan: Total War and i honestly dont think they have topped that so far. Sure ive bought them all but napoleon and with the exception of Empire i have loved playing them all for a long long amount of time all up. The only and i repeat only reason i didnt think Napoleon was worth buying after Empire is that i heard that like Empire the game worked in other areas at the sacrifice of the actual battles themselves. Thats where the multiplayer is now, and the whole reason you build your forces and diplomacy is to get in there and command your army!

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June 4, 2010 3:13:59 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

only reason i didnt think Napoleon was worth buying after Empire is that i heard that like Empire the game worked in other areas at the sacrifice of the actual battles themselves.

This is not true at all. The only things someone could complain about in Napoleon is that there is no mod support (this makes no difference since fantastic mods like Napoleon Order of War are being made anyway), a few balance problems still exist and the unit editor is still not released! I wouldn't be surprised if it is only released in time for Shogun 2.

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June 4, 2010 3:26:53 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting JuleTron,

only reason i didnt think Napoleon was worth buying after Empire is that i heard that like Empire the game worked in other areas at the sacrifice of the actual battles themselves.

This is not true at all. The only things someone could complain about in Napoleon is that there is no mod support (this makes no difference since fantastic mods like Napoleon Order of War are being made anyway), a few balance problems still exist and the unit editor is still not released! I wouldn't be surprised if it is only released in time for Shogun 2.
 

As i thought from reading the last few posts, I heard wrong, you just nailed it home for me. Hype can go two ways i guess. This time i might have missed out on a great game for the sake of the one before. Im definetely considering doing some research on Napoleon now, might end up buying it on steam. 

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June 4, 2010 10:48:09 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Hm....it seems like that the devs will spend lot of time on creating a decent AI for Shogun 2. Nice stuff!

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June 4, 2010 11:00:11 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

It will require Steamworks. 

 

Campaign will probably an unnecessary resource hog with lots of pointless 3D. Afraid they'll imbalance it over the elegant simplicity the original had. Hmm!

 

After their recent forays, I will wait and see.

 

Oh and being able to choose our general's traits? What is this, genetic engineering come early? The feature sounds gamey.

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June 4, 2010 11:01:30 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Ranbir,
It will require Steamworks. 

*facepalm*

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June 4, 2010 1:33:48 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

I paid full price for all the Total War games up until Empire Total War and Napoleon Total War. I was right to do that, as in both cases, as within 6 weeks of the release of both games, I was able to buy the Special Editions for less than 1/3 the full price. Given that the Medieval II Total War expansion Kingdoms had more content than both Empire Total War AND Napoleon Total War COMBINED, shows how for Creative, just like Valve, Bethesda and Bioware, its become all about the money.

An interesting statistic I found was in a 1997 games magazine I still have it said 50% of all PC titles lost money. Today that figure is 85% (Games Industry News). If publishers went back to making games for the love of it then, paradoxically, the more money they would make.

Also, don;t believe the hype. Bethesda was happy to tell you Fallout 3 had sold more units than Fallout 1 and 2 combined. Of course, what they didn't mention was that Fallout 1 and 2 only came out on PC. So when you look deeper and see that Fallout 1 and 2 TRIPLED the sales of the PC version of Fallout 3 you learn something. That in this multiformat world it's a lot easier for publishers to hide the truth, and as as long as the gaming media cow-tows to the industry it will only get worse. Eventually leading to 100% of AAA games from the major publishers making a loss.

The way Bioware have gone from Baldur's Gate to Mass Effect and Bethesda have gone from Daggerfall to Oblivion, i think the direction of gaming is obvious, and it's not up.

 

 

 

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June 5, 2010 9:56:12 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Down diggity DAOWN!!

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June 5, 2010 12:10:56 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting humorguy,
I paid full price for all the Total War games up until Empire Total War and Napoleon Total War. I was right to do that, as in both cases, as within 6 weeks of the release of both games, I was able to buy the Special Editions for less than 1/3 the full price. Given that the Medieval II Total War expansion Kingdoms had more content than both Empire Total War AND Napoleon Total War COMBINED, shows how for Creative, just like Valve, Bethesda and Bioware, its become all about the money.

An interesting statistic I found was in a 1997 games magazine I still have it said 50% of all PC titles lost money. Today that figure is 85% (Games Industry News). If publishers went back to making games for the love of it then, paradoxically, the more money they would make.

Also, don;t believe the hype. Bethesda was happy to tell you Fallout 3 had sold more units than Fallout 1 and 2 combined. Of course, what they didn't mention was that Fallout 1 and 2 only came out on PC. So when you look deeper and see that Fallout 1 and 2 TRIPLED the sales of the PC version of Fallout 3 you learn something. That in this multiformat world it's a lot easier for publishers to hide the truth, and as as long as the gaming media cow-tows to the industry it will only get worse. Eventually leading to 100% of AAA games from the major publishers making a loss.

The way Bioware have gone from Baldur's Gate to Mass Effect and Bethesda have gone from Daggerfall to Oblivion, i think the direction of gaming is obvious, and it's not up.

 

They figured, why should we give all these content away after the stock price, when we can charge for it bit by bit online!!!??  It was the case with dedicated servers, now it's the era of the DLC.

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June 6, 2010 2:06:05 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I would like to give Creative Assembly another look, but a Steam-exclusive Shogun II would be a no-buy for me.

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June 7, 2010 12:04:40 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting RandomEasyPlayer,
The first game i ever played was Shogun: Total War and i honestly don't think they have topped that so far. Sure Ive bought them all but napoleon and with the exception of Empire i have loved playing them all for a long long amount of time all up. The only and i repeat only reason i didn't think Napoleon was worth buying after Empire is that i heard that like Empire the game worked in other areas at the sacrifice of the actual battles themselves. Thats where the multi-player is now, and the whole reason you build your forces and diplomacy is to get in there and command your army!

The Multi-player Drop in Campaign or Single-Player Drop in Campaign are AWESOME. You get to fight the computer AI on the strategic map, but in the battles you face a Human Opponent, which as we all know, even the dumbest human is better than the smartest AI.

It's incredibly fun and challenging. If you liked TW and wanted it to be easy to do Multi-player battles, you'll like Napoleon.

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June 7, 2010 12:35:08 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Ahh cheers i did a little bit of research and once i stop playing through kings bounty ill be sure to buy it 

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June 7, 2010 2:01:01 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I can't bring myself to even look at this game after paying $50 for empire. Worst gaming purchase of my entire life, hands down. Never again, CA. I hope Elemental takes the place of all games you make for the next 10 years. 

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June 7, 2010 3:34:54 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

well, only if someone makes a real-time battles mod

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June 7, 2010 3:37:03 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting SpardaSon21,

However ... the endless Chinese ... how can you fight so many?
Ninjas and samurai, how else?

 

Now I just want to fight (as the Fuedal Japanese) against massive chinese armies.

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