Elemental Player Input: Unit names and quotes

By on March 22, 2010 2:32:57 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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When players design a unit that are asked to give it a name and a quote.

However, we don’t want players to feel like they have to do this.  To that end, we want to create a system where the game will “recommend” a randomly picked name and a randomly picked quote.

We thought it might be fun to let the beta testers get their suggestions on this into the game.

To that end, what kinds of fun and interesting quotes would you like be randomly selected as the default quotes and what sorts of interesting and useful names would you like to see used as suggested unit names?

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March 22, 2010 2:41:11 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

I'm pretty sure this isn't supposed to be in the GalCiv Dev Journals forum. As for quotes, well I have a whole list of them somewhere.

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March 22, 2010 3:40:02 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Do you want general names such as Soldier, Man-at-arms, Archer etc. , or are you asking for names

as in names of characters, such as Gunnar, Nisse or Belsebub?

 

Is there a possibility to link the names and quotes to certain attributes, such as making the random name for a mounted unit Knight, Cavalty or Dragoon? (IF that's the kind of names you want, otherwise it won't matter)

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March 22, 2010 3:55:47 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

It'd be neat if, by default, the unit name was created something like this:

<Nation> <Unit Size> of <Training Level> <Armor Level> <Weapon> <Iterator>

E.g. Yngland's Company of Elite Heavy Spearmen IV

Or, perhaps something like:

<Iterator> <Training Level> <Armor Level> <Weapon> <Unit Size>

E.g. 4th Elite Heavy Spear Company

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March 22, 2010 4:07:48 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

For King/Queen and country!

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March 22, 2010 4:13:30 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Human Mk 4

Oh wait, this isn't GalCiv - dosn't work like that here.

 

The quotes need to be funny and apt, high attack with low speed and a crushing weapon should give "ME CRUSH!!" type quotes.

 

As for unit names they should depend on the evil factor of your faction, lol. So "Worthless Pesants" and "Skull Riders" for one and "Honourable Malita" and "Holy Horses" for the same sytle units would be a nice alternative to the obvioius "Heavy Cavalry" that every other game has.

 

Also: Orks. "ORSE BOYZ!!" "DKKA DKKA DKKA CRSBOS BOZ!" "KITES IN AMAA!"

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March 22, 2010 4:25:44 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

KINGDOMS

Miltia-

'Hearth and Home gives a man a burning devotion that money cannot compare to'

Archer-

'A thousand arrows may blot out the sun, but one can snuff out a man's life just as easily'

Man-at-arms-

'Men war on each other because every man is at war with himself, see?'

Cavalryman-

'A Horse can be an Ill-tempered beast prone to stubborness and winnying, much like my wife'

EMPIRES

Thrall (soldier)-

'Dark Masters require dark servants. You called?'

Bowman-

'An arrow is destined to be forever in the quiver that is your enemy's back'

Horseman-

'Where a Horseman rides, the trampled remains of our foes are soon behind us'

Dark Knight (Heavy cavalry)-

'Perhaps presenting your head to my sword would save us both time' 

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March 22, 2010 4:27:59 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

For unit names I lean towards the side of practicality - a player can then decide something "fancier" later. I do think a system where armor and weapon levels/types play into it would give enough flavor... so units with high move/speed could be "scouts" or "rangers". Armor types Light/Medium/Heavy... weapon types, archers, longbowmen, spearmen, swordsmen etc.

So for example a highly mobile ranged units would be "Light Rangers". An armored knight regiment would be "Heavy Lancers" etc. While I agree this isn't the most "creative" set of names it doesn't feel as natural here as it does in GalCiv to have auto-generated names like "Phoenix" and "Battleaxe" (well unless you have a battleaxe or are, you know, actually a phoenix) since the idea of ship classes isn't quite analogous. This would help less experiences players keep things straight so they know what they are building.

I can see a lot more leeway in Quotes... quotes that mention the name of the Sovereign or kingdom directly would be cool.

Peasants and their ilk could have quotes that reflect less confidence while quotes well-armed elites should reflect their training and bravery/bloodthirstiness more accurately.

 

 

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March 22, 2010 4:36:29 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Yes. Have automated naming say something about the regiment. I would also check for certain combinations, such as:

Wilderness skills + primarily ranged = "Rangers"

Wilderness skills + primarily melee = "Barbarians"

Stealth skills = "Rogues"

That way you don't get tongue twisters like Wilderness Leather-Clad Bowmen

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March 22, 2010 5:01:52 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Bonus points for providing a few patterns for units to be named.  Perhaps the option is tucked away to keep the screen uncluttered for more casual gamers.

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March 22, 2010 5:18:50 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Hopefully the quotes will be more serious than the ones in Galciv.

Depending on the level of effort, you might even generate the names of the units in a way that is based upon the choices of your nation and sovereign.  For example, if your Profession is "warlord", the names would be more aggressive and warlike somehow, if you have the Weakness "Cruel" and the Talent "Tracker" would affect in their own way. Having this combination, some unit might be "Savage Tribesmen", due to the fact that if you combine these traits, something like this might spring to your mind.

And suppose your Faction had the Strength of "Weapon-masters", this might affect the name generation process somehow as well.

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March 22, 2010 5:22:15 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

The streets with flow with the blood of the non-believers!

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March 22, 2010 5:23:33 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Immortal (Heavy Infantry)

'Live by the sword, die by the sword. Or so they say, I seem to avoid that last part...'

Seeker (Fast Light Infantry/Scout)

'War is not an adventure. It is a disease. I can find the cure.'

Battlemaiden (Female Heavy Cavalry)

'Thick armor, a strong spear, and covered in the blood of her enemies. My wife terrifies me.'

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March 22, 2010 5:30:32 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

  City name-say Numinor

  Jazzed up wording next-like Flaming Fist, Lightning Wisp, Silver Hawks, Dark Moon, Dripping Blade, etc.

  Unit type-Scouts, Woodsmen, Pathfinders

  So it would be Numinor Dripping Blade Pathfinders or Numinor Flaming Fist Archers etc.  The iteration part can then be added at the beginning of the troop unit name if they are to be spammed.  The 3rd Numinor Dark Moon Woodsmen or The 13th Numinor Red Dragon Battlewizards.  I would have really extravagant, cool names for the crack troops. 

  For quotes I suggest you hire or steal from leeboy26; but just in case you can use something else..

                                       Self quotes

  Thats a nice sword you have warrior.  We counter with 100 arrows...1,2,3..Fire!!!

  You archers have beautiful bows; care to negotiate with my fire breathing drake? 

  Where are all the bards?  My uniform and axe are all shiney.

  Shards, shards, shards.  Give us your shards.

  Your city and defenses are impressive..we accept them in tribute.

  What bumbkin city did we just take?

  Sorry, this battle looks like were in way over our heads..I hear there is a nice patch of ground over there..

                       

                                          Unknown/Historical?                                         Reference

We come in peace..1 Legion at a time..                                                                                          

 

 

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March 22, 2010 5:44:30 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

It'd be neat if, by default, the unit name was created something like this:

<Nation> <Unit Size> of <Training Level> <Armor Level> <Weapon> <Iterator>

E.g. Yngland's Company of Elite Heavy Spearmen IV

Or, perhaps something like:

<Iterator> <Training Level> <Armor Level> <Weapon> <Unit Size>

E.g. 4th Elite Heavy Spear Company

How about letting the player to decide it. The idea is to have an option in the options, where the unit name can be altered. Tags such as <Training Level> will be there and they will be replaced after design. If I think about the above article, I suggest these tags:

training - recruit, nothing (standard), veteran, elite

armor - light (no armor or leather), heavy (plate mail etc.) or medium (other)

mount - the mount (horse, wolf, bear...)

weapon - he weapon type

unit type - infantry, cavalry, archers, sappers, scouts... There may be a combination (in some XML or somewhere) - weapon type +  armor + mount, that specifies the unit type, such as axe+no mount = axeman, sword + heavy armor + horse = knight....

special - magical items and such things will be here

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If I think about it, it would be nice, if you can use similar tags in the unit name. Those tags could be interesting:

city - the city, where the unit was trained

race - the race of the city the unit was created (races are not in the unit designer, however the city, where the unit was trained is supposed to specify the race)

size - 1 = nothing, < 10 = squad, < 100 = army < 10000 legion etc.

 

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March 22, 2010 5:45:35 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

- double post

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March 22, 2010 5:45:45 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I suggest that you stick with the classics for default quotes. Here are some. There are plenty more:

The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten.
Calvin Coolidge

On becoming soldiers we have not ceased to be citizens.
Oliver Cromwell's soldiers.

Let him who desires peace prepare for war.
Vegetius (4th century), Roman military strategist.

I don't know what effect these men will have upon the enemy, but, by God, they terrify me.
Duke of Wellington

My center is giving way, my right is in retreat; the situation is excellent. I shall attack.
Ferdinand Foch

God is not on the side of big battalions, but on the side of those who shoot best.
Voltaire

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers. For he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother
William Shakespeare

Follow me if I advance! Kill me if I retreat! Revenge me if I die!
Ngo Dinh Diem

There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others.
Niccolò Machiavelli

 

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March 22, 2010 5:53:00 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I suggest that you stick with the classics for default quotes. Here are some. There are plenty more:

Very nice set of quotes.

 

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March 22, 2010 5:57:04 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Random Quotes:

'Whosoever finds it difficult to act justly, finds the punishment far more difficult.'

'Cold be heart and hand and bone, and cold be travellers far from home.'

'There is no magic.'

'A man confronts you, he is the enemy. An enemy deserves no mercy.'

'We served the Empire at many distant posts.....until they all got wood-worm.'

'An army marches on its stomach, yet we march on the stomaches of our enemies.'

'Fortune favours the brave, though neither is misfortune neglectful.'

I'll add more when I think of them.

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March 22, 2010 5:57:22 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I'd rather see the quotes stuff ditched in favor of letting both regular and champion units have titles/honorifics that reflect their origins and their in-game history. I'm thinking of things like "This_Town's_X_Instance_of_Y_Unit_Type" for regulars and "the Onion Knight" for champions. Automatic options should be fine for the regulars in this regard, but good ones for the champions would depend on rich logging.

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March 22, 2010 6:24:09 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Some are blatantly stolen, but then all the best quotes are

  • "It burns! It burns!"
  • "Be vewy vewy quiet..."
  • "How hard can it be?"
  • "Stand your ground!"
  • "To the last man!"
  • "Keep them back!"
  • "Stop it! Stop it! he's already dead!"
  • "Chaaaaaarge!"
  • "Run away!"
  • "None shall pass!"
  • "Tis but a scratch"
  • "You call that a knife? This is a knife!"
  • "Form Phalanx!"
  • "Look behind you, a dragon!"
  • "All shall feel our wrath"
  • "Can I have some shoes?"
  • "Tread lightly, and carry a big sword"
  • "Dungeons? No way! im Claustrophobic!"
  • "Victory is life!"
  • "A pitchfork? are you serious?!"
  • "You have come to late, my work has already met with success."
  • "Did you hear somthing?"
  • "Join the army they said, See the world! they said"
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March 22, 2010 6:26:03 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I'm with GW on this: Some of the quotes given are OK, but many do not really work for the fantasy genre. Also, some people are going to want to go a comedic route: ("You're shafted" for archers for instance) others are going to want to go a more serious and classic route - ("why fight an enemy face to faces, when I can drop him at sixty paces?" - archer again)

Or maybe as a setup option you could chose what type of autogenerated quotes you want - humorous, poetic, stoic...

I like some of leeboy26's suggestions, but I do not think a cavalryman would be bad-mouthing horses - in epic fantasy horsemen tend to have an almost creepy closeness with their mounts.

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March 22, 2010 6:39:06 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords at dawn.

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March 22, 2010 6:44:38 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

There was a quote I heard on a history show about the American Civil war, the confederate army had just routed and the general asked a soldier running by if he loved his country. The reply was: "Yes, and I'm getting back there just as soon as I can." Good quote for a peasant I'd say.

 

Assasin: "The man died of natural causes. A dagger in the back is quite naturally fatal"

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March 22, 2010 6:50:15 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

(If your soveriegn is worshipped as a god.)

The One True God will drive out the many!

 

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March 22, 2010 6:56:05 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I think naming them after the city (sadly no county) would work really well, add to that their expertise or profession along unit size and with a randomn element. And voila a name.

British Military mottos

"Be The Best"

 "The Team Works"

"Rise Above The Rest"

"Serve to Lead"

"Who dares wins"

"By Strength and Guile"

Ready for anything

Everywhere! Where Right and Glory Lead

"Fear naught"

Swift and Bold

By Sea, By Land

"Yield to none"

Through Adversity to the Stars

"Exelence"

Through Adversity

None attack me with impunity

"Death or Glory"

''Difficulties be damned''

"Faithful"

"Firm"

Without fear

We shall be worthy

Mindful of former valor

"FIRST IN LAST OUT"

"Fortune Favors the Brave"

"Ready, Aye Ready"

"Venture Adventure"

"To inspire, to achieve"

"First in all things"

"The third shall be the first!"

"To see into the future"

"Thou mayst bend, but may not break me!"

"The eyes of the army"

"By day and by night"

"Everywhere unbounded"

"Throughout the night, we strike"

"To hit the mark"

" Swifter and more keen than eagles"

"Leads the field!"

"We assist by watching"

"I spread my wings, and keep my promise"

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