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City Upkeep Astronomical

March 10, 2010 12:55:41 AM from Elemental ForumsElemental Forums

Several games that I have played so far have suddenly had the city upkeep costs shoot up into hundreds and hundreds per turn.  Usually this happens right after starting a new city, but sometimes it happens for no reason I can find at all.  This last game I was just playing that upkeep jumped from about 30 per turn to 720.  I went broke pretty quick after that and all my armies deserted.  I'm not even really sure how the city upkeep thing works, am I missing something that tells the upkeep of buildings and whatnot?

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vieuxchat
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Reply #1 March 10, 2010 2:18:58 AM
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There's a bug in the upkeep calculation : instead of 0 1 3 6 10 15 21 28 etc... we get 0 1 2 6 24 120 720 etc.. (the upkeeps are multiplied instead of being added)

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Wintersong
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Reply #2 March 10, 2010 4:26:38 AM
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This game is supposed to be epic. So why not start with (epic) city upkeep?

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Reply #3 March 10, 2010 6:25:27 AM
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Do you want to continue the series?

Ok go !

0

1

2

6

24

120

720

5 040

40 320

362 880

3 628 800 (for 10 cities )

 

 

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John_Hughes
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Reply #4 March 10, 2010 11:17:40 AM
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LOL! That's nothing. To build one Legion of men takes 127,589 Turns.  

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Reply #5 March 10, 2010 11:41:15 AM
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Lol. Yea, it was supposed to be 7+6+5+4 but it was put in as 7! (7 factorial).

What's worse (for me) is that I was the one who said "Yea, just use the factorial function".  Sleep deprivation.

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Reply #6 March 10, 2010 12:02:17 PM
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Since 1 +2 +3 + .. + n = n*(n+1)/2,  the formula that should be used for the upkeep of n cities is n*(n-1)/2

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lambdaman
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Reply #7 March 10, 2010 10:16:50 PM
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I guess that's one way to do a "soft cap"...

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Reply #8 March 11, 2010 1:02:49 AM
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... and with blind war expansion. You just can't go to war without thinking before of the future upkeep.

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Reply #9 March 11, 2010 12:36:32 PM
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Quoting vieuxchat,
reply 8
... and with blind war expansion. You just can't go to war without thinking before of the future upkeep.

 

Tell me about it! Last night I captured 3 AI cities and immediately went broke. All my military units deserted after a few turns. Then I crashed.

 

Just PS if the topic interests you there's another thread around here (in the General forum, I think) talking about various approaches to city upkeep.

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